Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
House investigators have learned that the Bush administration’s use of Republican National Committee email accounts is far greater than previously disclosed — 140,216 emails sent or received by Karl Rove alone — and that the RNC has overseen “extensive destruction” of many of the emails, including all email records for 51 White House officials.
For the last several months, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee has been “investigating whether White House officials violated the Presidential Records Act” by using email accounts maintained by the RNC and the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign for official White House communications. Today’s findings confirm that the accounts were used “for official purposes, such as communicating with federal agencies about federal appointments and policies.” The report adds:
Given the heavy reliance by White House officials on RNC e-mail accounts, the high rank of the White House officials involved, and the large quantity of missing e-mails, the potential violation of the Presidential Records Act may be extensive.
Some other key findings:
– RNC account use far greater than believed: Despite White House spokesperson Dana Perino’s claim that 50 White House officials used RNC email accounts “over the course of the administration,” the committee learned that at least 88 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts.
– Bush-Cheney 04 campaign stonewalling: The committee says it may need to “issue compulsory process” to force the cooperation of the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign. Despite providing at least eleven White House officials with email accounts, “the campaign has unjustifiably refused” to provide the Committee with even the most basic information about the accounts, including the number of e-mails that have been preserved.
– Destroyed RNC emails may be preserved by federal agencies. The RNC has preserved only 130 e-mails sent to Karl Rove during Bush’s first term and no e-mails sent by Rove prior to November 2003. “For many other White House officials, the RNC has no e-mails from before the fall of 2006.” Several federal agencies contacted by the committee have indicated they “have preserved official communications that were destroyed by the RNC,” but others have resisted the investigation.
– Gonzales may have known about RNC account use. According to a deposition from Rove’s former assistant Susan Ralston, in 2001, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales “may have known that White House officials were using RNC e-mail accounts for official business, but took no action to preserve these presidential records.” The committee calls for an investigation into Gonzales’ actions on this matter.
Read the full oversight committee report HERE.
UPDATE: The Gavel has several additional links. Christy Hardin Smith has additional analysis.
UPDATE II: Sen. Patrick Leahy’s (D-VT) statement:
This Administration’s penchant for secrecy and disdain for oversight seems to know no bounds. It is troubling that so many senior White House officials, including Karl Rove and his former deputy Sara Taylor, were engaging in an effort to avoid oversight and accountability by ignoring the laws meant to ensure a public record of official government business. This extensive end-run around the laws leads one to wonder what these officials wanted to hide from the public and Congress.
This report indicates that Mr. Rove and Ms. Taylor were some of the heaviest users of these RNC e-mail accounts, and both officials have been linked to a project to fire several Department of Justice prosecutors that is currently the subject of congressional investigations. Now that we know more than 100,000 of Mr. Rove’s secret e-mails have not been destroyed, I hope the White House will respond to my request for any e-mails from his account that are relevant to the Judiciary Committee’s investigation. I look forward to Ms. Taylor searching the thousands of e-mails from her account in accordance with a subpoena she was issued last week.
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Rove strikes again.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmTranslation: Obstruction of Justice.
Not that we should be surprised by that, but we should continue to demand accountability.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmThe Bush administration has put together a vast criminal enterprise. Anyone who can’t see that by now is simply delusional.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmOk, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:05 pmNow what?? OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IS A “SLAM DUNK” CASE.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWay to go Gonzo. Is there a pile of shit anywhere that you don’t step in?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmOne of Rove’s myriad dirty tricks. Skewer that pig!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmOut with the all! The people will now sweep this government clean of Republicans, that’s clear. If one is guilty now, they’re all guilty in the eyes of the people…..all criminal “thugs”!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:06 pmI can’t wait to see the massive amount of “jumping ship” of these GOP rats now. The people will be out to crucify them.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#6 – Gonzocchio doesn’t need to step in $shit – Gonzocchio IS pure $hit.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“Ok, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:05 pm”
It’s called C….O…..M…..P….U….T….E…..R………..R….E….C….O…..R…..D…..S..
Even if the file is not provided a RECORD of it still exists…..
Why are the Republicans such IDIOTS????
June 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pm4,
It’s a crime to destroy evidence that is related to a criminal investigation. The fact that the e-mails were deleted en masse is a crime in itself.
You should really educate yourself, so you can have something intelligent to say when you sit at the adults table.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pmIf Gonzocchio KNEW about the illegal email accounts, then he needs to be fired on the spot and brought to justice for permitting this “high crime and misdemeanor” on his watch.
It’s also clear that the individual issuing the order to destroy these emails was either Rove, Bush, or both in which case there will be a clear case of “obstruction of justice” and the hammers of hell can now be brought down upon the necks of these two rougues.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmwill the MSM cover it that’s all I want to know ? If not then “big deal”
June 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmLet us all do to their careers what they did to said e-mails.
DESTROY THEM!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmNow we need to know precisely “whom” issued the order to the RNC to destroy the emails. This individual will eventually be sitting in prison.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmThese guys have no respect for the America public. Their only purpose is to steal from the government and funnel it to their friends. They continually scramble to cover their tracks — like cockroaches running from the kitchen light.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pmGOPcurious,
“Ok, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.”
If there is evidence that the e-mails were destroyed, then there is grounds for a indictment. It’s illegal to destroy that information.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pm#25 They’re all “destroyed already” – their careers are history! Bush’s legacy will be that he supervised and abetted the most heinous crime spree against the People and the Constitution ever in the history of this country. Soon they’ll all be visiting plastic surgeons to alter their appearance because they will not be safe walking the streets of this country any longer. The people will speak again in 08 and will sweep out every disgusting Republican.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmWhat a bunch of deceitful lying creeps. This is front he same crowd that dons halos every morning before striding out to pose and pontificate.
The worst scoundrels and hypocrites. These committees need to stop tip-toeing around giving them time to destroy evidence.
Democrats can be such wimps!!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pm#18: Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThat’s right #18 and it appears that there is “evidence” that these emails were ordered to be destroyed. This is the “smoking gun” everyone was waiting for! Aha! It’s finally arrived!! Hoorah!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmNo more pussyfooting around by the Dems. They’ve got lynching evidence now.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pm“Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:12 pm”
If they were sent between 8am and 8pm, then they were OFFICIAL!
If it was NOT official, then they could have waited until they got home to send out emails from their PRIVATE email accounts.
Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways…..
That’s like me trying to fight my employer for firing me because I was looking on Monster for jobs during work time. If I want to do that, then I need to do it on my own time and on my own computer equipment, not on the govt. time and UN-OFFICIAL equipment.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmPfft. If this goes to court, we’ll fight it to the Supremes and we’ve got it covered.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmThe Democrats will have to get together and see if they can get enough votes for a non-binding resolution so they can show their displeasure of the mean things the Republicans are doing.
Seriously, when are the Democrats going finally stand up and defend oure constitution?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pm#24: Wrong. Clinton staff had separate computers for campaign work and official business so that they could campaign without having to leave the office.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“Pfft. If this goes to court, we’ll fight it to the Supremes and we’ve got it covered.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:16 pm”
I would not count on that!!!!!
It seems that many of those judges you were counting on are actually holding the law above PARTY!!!!!
If the law is on the side of these criminals, then they will win….. But the law is NOT on their side, which is why they are trying soooo hard to obstruct justice…..
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmKarl was only protecting our government, like Daryll said, by keeping these national secrets out of the hands of terrorist liberals.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmN – O – T – H – I – N – G – - – W – I- L – L – - – H – A – P – P – E – N – !
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmAssuming Bush/Cheney survive their remainder of their term without being impeached, the GOP is essentially finished as a viable political party.
While it’s true that 60% of Republicans still support this administration, in the minds of Democrats, Independents and even many Republicans, the party will be forever associated with naked corruption, abuse of power and scorn for the rule of law. Despite all the damage Bush/Cheney have done to America, completely discrediting their party will prove to be their greatest positive contribution to our country.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmI’m getting beyond impatient now. Just how much more evidence is needed before there is a call for a special prosecutor?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pm“Clinton staff had separate computers for campaign work and official business so that they could campaign without having to leave the office.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:18 pm”
WRONG!!!!
They did not perform GOVT. buisness on these computers to avoid the Presidential Records Act!!!!!!
B….I…..G…………D….I….F…..F….E…..R……E….N…..C….E!!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pmGOPcurious,
“Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.”
If the e-mails were sent or received using government computers, that makes it offical. That’s the law.
Plus, computer forensics will find just about anything that ever been run on a computer. But go ahead and stick your head in the dirt and pretend you can’t hear or see any evil. After all, it has been said that ignorance is bliss.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#33: Yeah, but they still used the premises for campaign work which, strictly speaking, was illegal. So yes, Clinton did it too.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmOk then show us the indictments.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmOk, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious
Only in Neoconland is destroying evidence looked on favorably. Neoconland, a conscience-free zone.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#37: Sure. The goal is to win.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmPfft. If this goes to court, we’ll fight it to the Supremes and we’ve got it covered.
Comment by GOPcurious
Unlike the Mafia, you neocons don’t know when to shut up. That’s why you’re all going down.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:26 pm“Yeah, but they still used the premises for campaign work which, strictly speaking, was illegal. So yes, Clinton did it too.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:23 pm”
What law was broken?????? Site the actual law….
It was not the Hatch act, as that applies to meetings held….
It does not apply to the Presidential Records Act, as that applies to OFFICIAL business…..
S…O…….W….H….A….T……..L…..A…..W……..W….A….S…….B….R….O….K….E….N????
June 18th, 2007 at 12:27 pmInvestigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
….. was that wrong…… ?
:|
June 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmI’m so tired of hearing this from the loyal members of the right:
“they all do it, they are all crooks, nothing new”
The truth is – apathy is abound – and though I love to see Waxman marching to the sea like Sherman – it seems that most people are so fed up or so apathetic – that they are resigned to do nothing.
(yes – that was a run on sentence)
I admit, I’m tired of preaching how this oversight is valuable, how important it is, and getting the look from my peers as if I’m some fanatic or crusader.
When did the conservative view of protecting the grand document and our rights become a fanatical ideology? Wasn’t that radical thought 200+ years ago supposed to be generally accepted now?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmto GOPcurious #25…you mean that the RWers’s OWN the SCOTUS? Who’da thunk it? You mean that the group who just stood up 7-1 for those poor li’l ol’ Wall Street bankers against the “screwed?” Why, that’s the ‘Murican way, isn’t it? Thanks…Big Tony, John, Sammy. Yeah, upholding the law. Sure…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pm38,
Exactly. To a Bush Republican, the ends always justify the means, even if the means include lying to the public to start a war, issuing phony terror alerts, instituting policies of torture, rigging elections, and committing numerous felonies while in office.
Fortunately, most Americans do not share this view. This is why Bush’s approval rating is near the lowest in U.S. history.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pm#37: Sure. The goal is to win.
Comment by GOPcurious
Sometimes even when you win, you lose. But keep supporting the bullies. They’ll protect you.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmJust look at this guy libtards, he probably smells better than any dumbocrat and you could land a 737 on that big strong cranium of mind boggling genius with its rigid shoulders. Karl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage unlike the unwashed masses of libtards.
Don’t you ‘caca caper’ liertards have some fecal matter to deposit in the halls of the White House?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmGOPcurious
“The goal is to win.”
This is not a football game dumbass.
IF it were just a game you would be ok with lying and cheating.
Well, It’s not a game, but your willing to lie and cheat and ruin every office of government and there’s someting again your ok with.
Your own disgrace.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#21 GOPcurious
#18: Not if the messages were not official business. How can you prove that the alleged traffic through RNC servers was official? The lawyers are going to have a field day and you are going to lose.
I’m glad to see you’re curious, but you need to start paying attention. Some of the agencies turned over e-mail that were either sent from or to people in the White House, dealing with official business, but doing it on non-secure and unofficial e-mail accounts in violation of the Presidential Records Act.
Here’s how it works:
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pm1. Administration official sends e-mail to agency official, using gwb43.com account.
2. Agency official responds, also by gwb43.com account.
3. Administration official deletes sent e-mail and response from his PC.
4. Copies of both e-mails are still on servers. Copies are still on back-up tapes. Copies exist on server disk to be recovered, even if they were deliberately deleted from the server.
5. But, in many cases, those sent and received mails are still on the agency official’s PC. Karl Rove can throw his PC off a cliff. It won’t make a difference when the other party to the e-mail exchange still has copies. Cue “Dragnet” theme and slamming jail cell door.
#44: You’ve got it. Fortunately, most Americans don’t matter.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“Karl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage”
Get your hand out of your pants boy!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pmCaption Contest:
“Shit, was that text ‘FLIRT’ to 55055 or was that text ‘HOTGIRLZ’ to 55055?”
June 18th, 2007 at 12:33 pm49,
I think you’ll find they matter a great deal next election day.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmBut nothing will happen because Bush has “god” on his side and any law broken by a loyal Bushie is an unimportant law. Next.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmWhat??? How could this be??? We won’t have any “records” for the Presidential Library now, will we???
June 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmIf Bush won’t fire Gonzales, why isn’t action taken, at least, to seek to disbar him? Surely, this willful blindness to Records Act violations alone, not to mention Gonzo’s many other peccadillos, is no less compromising than some of Nifong’s!!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmD – I – D — A – N – Y – O – N – E — B – L – A – M – E — C – L – I – N – T – O – N — Y – E – T – ?
of course they did.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pmRoboTroll 3100 reports:
As #35 above said, “Clinton Did It Tooâ„¢”.
And, as #25 above said, The Supremes are in our pocket, so “we’ve got it covered”.
If what we type on official computers is not “official business”, then we don’t have to preserve a record because it doesn’t fall under the Presidential Records Act. If what we type is official business but it is not typed on official computers, we avoid the Presidential Records Act. We’re Republicans, and that means that we get to have our cake and eat it too.
Does too.
As an esteemed Republican President once said, “If the President does it, that means it’s not illegal.” May we add: “as long as he’s not a Democrat”.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pm“Shit, was that text ‘FLIRT’ to 55055 or was that text ‘HOTGIRLZ’ to 55055?â€
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — June 18, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
LMAO
Winner!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pmThis is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious
Than God we don’t have to discuss YOUR rabid rightie filthy fantasy, and w/ a name like “GOPcurious”, I shudder to think what that might involve…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#38 GOPcurious
Sure. The goal is to win.
Thank you for your candor. That is exactly right, from a GOP point of view. For me, I don’t want either party to be doing this kind of thing. I want a clean government. But for GOPers, the ends justify the means. It’s always okay if it’s a Republican. And for trolls like you, this really is just a spectator sport. The GOP is your team and no matter how bad they suck, no matter how much they cheat, you’ll be cheering them on.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:38 pmCaption:
“oh ‘Berry me, on the lone prairie,
June 18th, 2007 at 12:39 pm‘neath the foundations of,
the Bush Lie-brar-eeeee…..”
When will some Richard Mellon Scaife analogue fund a Texas Project?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:40 pmYou want the truth? I know you can’t handle the truth, but here it comes. All your whining is for nothing because we’re just not going to give up the power in 2008. We will win. Always. There is no other way and nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the People”, no-one.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmCongressional Democrats should demand that these unscupulous tyrants explain themselves. By God produce those e-mails and testify! But of course if you can’t we’ll ask again in a few weeks, then by God we’ll demand that you voluntarily produce the information we’re needing and if you don’t we’ll ask again.
Weak kneed Democratic “leaders” need to grow a pair.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmJust look at this guy libtards, he probably smells better than any dumbocrat
Comment by Patrick1 — June 18, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Well you’d be the expert there chief, with your nose so far up his rectum and all….
June 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmLMAO
Winner!
Comment by BARTLEBEE — June 18, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Thanks – the correct answer is FLIRT – oops.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pmAhh, the sycophantic whore trolls are in full parade today. Queen bee KKKarl must have parted his cheeks and squeezed out some pheremones, the drones are swarming to his defense.
Anyone who defends secrecy and obstruction of justice because they support their party over country doesn’t deserve to live here.
What hole do these f*cks have in their psyche that they have to worship a father figure?
You are sure a pathetic bunch of pimple-faced losers trolls.
FYTITA
June 18th, 2007 at 12:42 pmKarl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage unlike the unwashed masses of libtards.
Comment by Patrick1
Uh oh… ANOTHER one who appreciates the “manly odor” of a “powerful father figure”… perhaps KKKarl can go into grooming aids industry once he gets out of prison… KKKarl’s new fragrance for men, and preening little boys… “Kritalnacht”… I’m sure Patrick1 will be in line to buy some.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:43 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium
Comment by Patrick1 — June 18, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
Thanks to the reinforced concrete and the runway created by his bald spot.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pmuse the RICO statues now!!! Investigate the RNC as a criminal organization and kick in the door of this festering cabal of elitist fascist criminals! And just to add insult to thier injury (which they so richly deserve) use the Patriot act and the Nation Security Letters to lay bare their treasonist activities. Once convicted we can crucify the S.0.B.’s upside down for their debasement of whatever virtues people attribute to religion, cause wake up folks stole Jesus to run cover for thier personal greed and excess! Malcolm X was right and he was assinated for it…
It’s a Class War Baby!
June 18th, 2007 at 12:44 pm#66: You may ridicule us for looking up to a “father figure”, but how do you think a nation can survive in this world without a strong leader who is not afraid to use deadly – even nuclear – force when the interests (not just lives, but the economy) of the nation is threatened?
Can you see a democrat President doing something like that? I don’t. That’s why I always vote for GOP.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmDespite White House spokesperson Dana Perino’s claim that 50 White House officials used RNC email accounts “over the course of the administration,†the committee learned that at least 88 White House officials had RNC e-mail accounts.
Two very different words there when discussing e-mail accounts.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWith each post, it’s looking more and more like GOPcurious is a reverse-troll, a liberal posing as a right-winger in order to discredit the right wing, or maybe just to stir up conflict on the boards.
I mean, come on… “we’re just not going to give up the power in 2008“?
“nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority“?
We’re supposed to take this seriously?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pm#69: Class war? That’s so 80s… you know, the last time the communists were actually taken seriously.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:46 pmDon’t you ‘caca caper’ liertards have some fecal matter to deposit in the halls of the White House?
Comment by Patrick1 — June 18, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
We would, but isn’t it all full up?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWe will win. Always. There is no other way and nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the Peopleâ€, no-one.
Comment by GOPcurious
“We”??? Do you honestly believe the Repubs in DC even know who you are, much less care? Talk about not handling the truth.
Oh, GOPcurious, your mommy’s looking for you. She needs her dress back. Seeing as you can’t make dime one to save your or her life, she’s got to go to her minimum wage job, the one w/ no benefits, to support you while you hide in the basement, or the garage, all day, huffing Twinkies, whilst pounding, pounding, pounding away… on your little… keyboard.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWatch this:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3954858769441262005
This is Greg Palast (investigative reporter for the BBC and author of “Armed Madhouse”) talking about the 500 emails from Karl Rove that were accidently sent to his team at the BBC. It is really very interesting. He says the story isn’t just the US Attorneys being fired as much as the voter caging and stealing the elections of 2000 and 2004 that is the real issue (and the 2008 election). That is the really illegal part of all this.
http://www.gregpalast.com/the-goods-on-goodling-and-the-keys-to-the-kingdom/
I just want to know why nothing has been done with these emails that absolutely nail these guys.. And why these emails weren’t reported on in the USA.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmGreg writes:
“Our BBC team broke the story at the top of the nightly news everywhere on the planet — except the USA — only because America’s news networks simply refused to cover this evidence of the electoral coup d’etat that chose our President in 2004.”
use the RICO statues now!!!
Comment by Mali
I’ve saying that for months now, Mali. Welcome aboard.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmYou may ridicule us for looking up to a “father figureâ€
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Yes, we may.
And I’ll start with this.
So wouldn’t that mean this “father figure” is looking down?
At the tops of your heads….
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium
Comment by Patrick1
I believe that’s a symptom of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmwhen the interests (not just lives, but the economy) of the nation is threatened?
Comment by GOPcurious
BUT THE ECONOMY??? Damn, we can’t have the lives of the people put above the interests of the rich now, can we?
June 18th, 2007 at 12:52 pmYou want the truth?
Comment by GOPspurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Well that would be a nice change, but I think the federal investigators will take care of that.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pmAs far as computer records go, the Reps learned their lesson during Iran-Contra-Gate. The PROFS system Ollie used was backed up and the backups were used to retreive what Ollie has tried to hide.
As far as finding emails today, that depends on whether the mail server is backed up. My last company never backed up their mail server or stored old messages and received a $2,000,000 fine from the SEC. I assume the GOP has wised up and knows how to hide their tracks better than they use to.
As far as any other records, you would have to look at the receiving server, although I am assuming all of the emails stayed within the GOP email server.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmKarl simply oozes sex appeal, honesty and courage unlike the unwashed masses of libtards.
Comment by Patrick1
It amazes me that Patrick1 actaully seems to find the Pillsbury Doughboy of politics sexy…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium
Comment by Patrick1
I wouldn’t mind TRYING to land a 737 on that cranium.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:54 pmSometimes even when you win, you lose. But keep supporting the bullies. They’ll protect you.
Comment by shane
I’m sure he believes his loyal ass is covered. He’ll be disappointed….
June 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmyou could land a 737 on that big strong cranium — Comment by Patrick1
And, if Bush and Rove received multiple warnings of the impending jet airliner headed towards Rove’s head they would be incapable of taking appropriate action to prevent it.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI am assuming all of the emails stayed within the GOP email server.
Comment by SAM I AM
Right, which in turn was securely hidden away in the Orifice of the VP…
June 18th, 2007 at 12:55 pmKarl Rove is smiling because he can do what ever he wants and the American people are behind him. He even has the puppet Americans attacking the Democrats when then try to stop his criminal acts. Americans don’t care that our troops were used and lied to. Now if their is a man who can get the religious church, fixed voting machines and deny votes to minorities then lets face Karl Rove could be the next and final President. Only honest Americans see Karl Rove as a criminal others see him as well ok. As Karl Rove said the American people can be told anything and believe it, He proved his point to be correct. The American people demanded that a corrupt President name Richard Nixon be impeached but now allow the crime team of Bush/Cheney/Rove/Gonzales to move forward with out saying a word.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmThis corruption makes me ill however, I don’t think anything will come of it. Don’t we have enough information for an independent prosecutor? These constant ring-around-the-rosey hearings and testimonies to Congress are beginning to look like exactly what Bush said it was: Political Theater. Believe me, I’d love to see Bush & Co. hang for everything they have done but it is beginning to look like all the Democrats want to do is make Bush and the Republicans look as bad as possibly so they can win the next election in a landside. If that is their only plan, I fear for what will happen when they do win.
June 18th, 2007 at 12:59 pmIm gonna bet that Patrick1 is a parody.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHere is one of the emails with some of the caging lists that were sent to Palast:
June 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmhttp://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=413062748&size=o
But then, maybe his mommy does that for him.
Comment by spit take
I doubt seriously that even Pattie1’s mom wants to touch that keyboard, unless she’s wearing rubber gloves and carrying a big bottle of Lysol…
June 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pm“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it … always.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
June 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI’m sure he believes his loyal ass is covered.
Comment by Zooey
Right, by extra strength Depends…
June 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmWe keep hearing that this country is headed towards a constitutional crisis in the event that Congress presses on Gonzo gate, attempts to force White House official’s testimony or confronts Bush and the Republilcans on Iraq.
Sorry, we already are in the midst of the most serious constitutional crisis in the history of this country. Nothing less than the future of democracy is at stake. The GOP elite are seeking to impose a one party state on this nation. A state in which the combination of corporate (and the wealthy), extreme religious right and corrupt politicians control the country. The rule of law, democratic tradition and the separation of powers have long since been trashed by the Republican party.
1. The GOP has effectively corrupted the political process through the introduction of corporate money as a controlling factor in the political process. The GOP has always been the party of the rich. The GOP has always outraised the Democrats by relying upon corporate donations and contributions of the wealthy. However, the GOP has consistently raised the amount necessary to campaign to obscene levels. Thus, even serious Democratic politicians must rely upon contributions that come with serious strings attached. The Republicans attempted to formalize this process through the K Street Project.
2. The GOP has used the examples of the NAZI’s, Communsts, Fascists of Italy and the Baath Pary to make party support as a necessary prerequisite to participation in the government. The corruption of career civil service positions in the military, DOJ and other cabinet departments was specifically designed to turn the government into an arm of “THE PARTY”. Note that even participation in nonpolitical foreign conferences has been based on party support. Remember that communications conference in which a leading industry company was excluded from attending as a US rep specifically because they had not contributed to the GOP.
3. The religious right has been used to serve as the opiate for the masses, i.e. to turn even religion into a party tool. Look at the influence that has been given to the religious right in terms of sex education and the fight against AIDS in the international arena. The programs reflect an extreme religious bias, have been shown to be ineffective (if not counterproductive) and have been carried out by groups with no qualification other than their faith. Turning over social programs to religious groups also provides them with an excellent platform to recruit additional members. Indeed, if your freedom from jail was based upon completing a rehabilitation program run by a right wing organization, would you feel pressure to conform? What about better jail conditions based upon entering a religious based program? Evaluation and placement from a religious based jobs program?
4. GOP Curious reflects the type of “mob” mentality that goes with the corrupt, one party state. Note the over reliance on the ability of a prosecutor to provide proof after the evidence has been destroyed.
A. The administration has already admitted that outside organizations were used for official e-mails.
B. The administration admits that many officials have little e-mail traffic on the official system. However, these were the same people who had RNC accounts.
C. The law is clear as to the requirement to maintain official records.
This is not a criminal case. This involves whether their is adequate evidence that impeachable offenses have occurred. The destruction of evidence in light of clear legal requirements permits the assumption that it was done to hide adverse information. The evidence of suspicious and potentially criminal activity in such areas as illegal surveillance, violations of the Hatch Act, improper attempts to influence criminal litigation, violation of civil service laws and corruption on the part of White House and Cabinet level appointees and their key assistants permits an inference that the documents were destroyed to obstruct justice. In a civil context, it is sufficient to shift the burden to the administration to provide evidence that there was no improper intent.
It is time to purge the government of these individuals. It is time that the administration and its GOP lackies are treated as the vile criminals that they are. It will be necessary to purge the government of civil servants improperly appointed. They need to be treated as were NAZI’s and Baathists.
The real danger comes from ones such as GOP Curious who believes that improper actions by prior administrations (Democratic and Republican) serve as a license for wholesale corruption in the present. YOU ARE WRONG. WINNING DOES NOT JUSTIFY ANY TACTIC.
GOP Curious is the enemy. GOP Curious is a treasonous traitor to this country. He as admitted it himself through his posts. There is a place at GTMO for such traitors.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pmActually, what KKKarl’s really doing in that photo is reading the latest text message from MAF54…
“Hot new page lounging around the pool in his Speedos… last one in is a lame duck official…”
June 18th, 2007 at 1:06 pmContact Representative Waxman here and let him know that we want IMPEACHMENT NOW!
Below is a copy of my message – just for inspiration.
Representative Waxman,
It is quite clear from the conclusions put forth by the Committee’s investigation into the use of RNC email accounts that there has been a covert and concerted effort to subvert our Constitution by those in the White House. It is time that drastic measures are taken to ensure that no further damage is done to our country. It is time to begin impeachment hearings for everyone involved in the initial subversion and subsequent cover-up. You must compel Speaker Pelosi to initiate impeachment proceedings. Allowing more time for a criminal cover-up only serves the interests of the guilty and not the American people.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmThere is a place at GTMO for such traitors.
Comment by JMOHR
Be careful, JMHOR. You’re playing right into GOPcurious’ sex fantasies w/ talk like that.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:07 pmWill someone more familiar with the board make a list of the troll aliases for submission to TP site management so they might start blocking this disruptive bullshit, please?!?!
As someone noted above, the KKK machine is in high gear because the game is over once the RNC email database reveals things like election fraud, 911 cover-up, the gay mafia in the GOP, etc.
When it rains, it pours!!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pmPoor ol’ Karl, in that picture, he looks like he is doing some frantic on-line shopping to get his super giant-size Preparation H and his years supply of knee pads ready for when they come to take him to the GOP Funhouse.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pm> GOP Curious is the enemy. GOP Curious is a treasonous traitor to this country.
GOPCurious is nothing but a deluded kid connecting to “The Intarnets” from Dad’s basement.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmCaption contest;
“Why aren’t my launch codes working?”
June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pm#73 Damn Right a class war. You think the top 1% give a flying F@$K about the other 99%!?! It’s clear your programming is complete as all your capable of is reguritating the crap the RNC has decided your capable of understanding. It’s the middle class who’s getting screwed by these b@stards and footing the bill ta’boot! It is unbelieveable to me that you 28%ers (dead enders as DICK would say) haven’t figured out that your in the same boat as the vast majority of! Flippin Moron’s! So quit messin up the boat with your sh!t and smell the cat food!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmGOPcurious yellow,
I don’t ridicule you for looking up to a father figure, I despise you for it.
You blind faith defenders of Bush are exactly like a beaten wife who defends her husband against claims that he is raping their 12 year old daughter. Despite the evidence of bloody sheets and screams in the night, she defends Daddy because “He’s a good man, he wouldn’t do that!”
Bush and his cabal are raping and defiling our country while you pukes defend him.
Sure he’s a good man, just ask KKKarl.
BTW, I think you are channeling one of Adolph’s supporters, he was a father figure and a strong leader.
Pull your head out of your ass (or whoever’s ass you have it shoved in) and defend America instead of America’s enemies in the WHite House.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 pmGOPcuriosity:
Keep on posting! Yer’ a freekin’ hoot, and the best thing that can happen for liberals: A neocon troll who has come unhinged to the point of panic, forgotten his talking points, and let the truth slip out!
Is this parody? Ha!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:14 pmmake that #74… # 73 my bad!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pmnothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the Peopleâ€, no-one.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
Someone better tell the 110′th Congress then.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmIt’s time (long past) for both the Senate and House Judiciary and Oversight Committees to petition the court for a special master, subpoena and impound the machines before any Republican officials do anymore tinkering with the machines in their effort to find more emails.
I don’t know what is taking Democrats so long to have done this. They should have instantly gone to court back in March when it was first discovered that the White House was using a “double-bookkeeping system” for their communications.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmIs it possible to use emails from Rove accidently sent to the wrong email address as evidence in such an important investigation??
June 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmOk!
When will we see lots and lots of jail time?
June 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pmImagine if Bill Clinton’s administration used an alternate e-mail account. And imagine if they stonewalled the investigation into those accounts.
Do you think CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN or FOX might mention it? (They’d break into regular programming with URGENT NEWS and there’d be 24/7 coverage on the Cable Networks)
The Corporate Media obviously likes deregulation and tax cuts more than they like democracy. Their silence tells you everything you need to know. Again. And Again.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmIf this does not scream Impeachment, our leaders yes both parties, it is the people to bring down this house!!!
When is this shit going to end, when they ALL are Impeached.
Impeachment is the way to hold those total accountability and the time has arrived!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:27 pmSomeone needs to write a book “How-to-buy-a-Democracy for Dummies”, and lay out every single step they have taken.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIs it possible to use emails from Rove accidently sent to the wrong email address as evidence in such an important investigation??
Comment by JG
You mean like the “official policy” e-mails KKKarl accidentally sent to “HotBoyz.com” and “SpeedosUnlimited.com”??
June 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pmPlease stop with the comparison at any level with what or maybe Bill Clinton did or may have done!
This current administration is beyond any comparison with any past administration.
The crap that just keeps giving….But when is accountability going to be really used?
Oh, remember last week when the White house counsel started beefing up the legal defense? Well, they must have known this story was going to hit the media and with a backlash at that!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pm1oldlady wrote @ 1.31 pm:
Please stop with the comparison at any level with what or maybe Bill Clinton did or may have done!
RoboTroll 3100 responds:
But it’s all we’ve got.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:36 pmTime to get out the handcuffs. I’m sure we can arrange for people like Karl to “resist” as well.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmdestruction of the records violates the law. Arrest them all NOW. Get them out of our WH and Justice Dept! Take that lying sack Lurita Doan with you.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmAnd tell that scumbag Griles NO he must DO HIS JAIL TIME like Libby will. They all belong in prison and so do their supporters. Republican supporters are aiding and abetting CRIMINALS
#119: Heh. Typical hysterical liberal. That’s what I really despise in you.
This shrill, hysterical voice that demands drastic. dramatic actions for the sake of action. Always screaming about how CRIMINAL some people are and how they must DO JAIL TIME for offending his or her liberal sensibilities. All the demands for purity and purges. You’re always shooting blue on blue. Pelosi and Reid can’t win your favor ecause you’re demanding something that’s impossible. They can’t stop the war. They can’t suddenly implement a new foreign policy. Yet you idiots expect them to do that and when they can’t you’ll abandon them. Morons.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGOPcurious yellow is living proof that trolls live on a diet of Bush’s smag and KKKarl’s dingleberries.
Don’t ever question authority little guy, just shut up and take it in the a$$.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThe Gettybush Address
Four score and seven million lost Emails ago, our forebushers brought forth on this continent a new regime, conceived in lunacy and dedicated to the proposition that all Bush crime family members are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil discourse, testing whether that regime or any regime, so constipated and so daffy, can long endure…
June 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDon’t ever question authority little guy, just shut up and take it in the a$$.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:52 pmDamn straight. And the existential question for you, me and – in the future – for our children is, do you want to be just one of the “little people”, serfs, or someone who has a patron who takes care of you. I know it sounds old fashioned, but the feudal system is making a comeback, you know. As far as I go, I’m going to be one of the better-offs than a serf. Maybe your misguided liberal empathy will lead you elsewhere.
#46 “Karl simply oozes sex appeal,” Say what you will about the investigation, but come on Karl Rove by any standard is a troll. Fat and balding with no discernable personallity; how did G.Q. miss this model American.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pm“Impeachment” … “felonies” … “smoking gun” … bulls**t! NOTHING is going to happen and I think we all know it. Crime really does pay, especially if those who have the power to do something about it (the Dems) … don’t.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“As far as I go, I’m going to be one of the better-offs than a serf. Maybe your misguided liberal empathy will lead you elsewhere.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 1:52 pm”
Until the Stock market crashes…… Then you’ll be in the same boat as the “little people”……
Then what will you do???
Probably cry that your great leader failed you and you should have listened to the people who were correct to begin with…..
At the rate we are selling out America, YOU won’t have anything to survive on in 10 years….. So thank your great leader Bush for turning America into a 3RD WORLD COUNTRY!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 1:57 pmWow, talk about regressing! Fuedal systems are staging a comeback? That does explain a lot though. When I use the term King George, I use it in a mocking, derogatory way. Little did I know that you sycophants really do worship your Dear Leader and look to him to protect you.
Pitiful little cowards.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:58 pmSeptember 18th 2007:
“The New York Times reports that John Doe, a heretofore unknown employee of the RNC, will be charged with obstruction of justice. Mr. Doe, who some call, ‘our tech dude’ faces charges of up to 3 years in Federal prison if found guilty.”
Oh yes, justice WILL be served.
June 18th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThese crooks and liars have taken the Nixon Watergate scandal to heart–destroy evidence and claim faulty memories. What can they do to us then, we will be safe in our crimes. I always felt that the Republican party did not suffer the proper consequences after Watergate, after all the party puts up the candidate, through its processes, and vouches for that person. The Republican party should have gone the way of the Whigs after the disgrace of Watergate, but, instead, they llived on to give us Watergate squared, with W et al.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmAny 1st year IT student knows that deleting emails does not destroy them. Any computer operation run with the minimum amount of professionalism does backups at least daily. We went through this with Watergate.
GET THE BACKUPS!
June 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmComment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
I can’t believe what I just read.
Our Founding fathers fought and died to secure a future for this nation that was better than that.
By openly advocating a return to such savagery, you declare yourself a traitor to this country.
Better hope that the feudalism you purport to embrace so much doesn’t come to exist, for there are usually a lot more serfs than there are lords and vassals, and from what I’ve seen, you don’t make the cut.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHere is more to the story of the missing emails, the caging votes of those who decided to serve their country in Iraq and Karl’s plant in Arkannsas, who’s since resigned (it’s really quite ingenius in a diaabolical kind of way).
http://www.gregpalast.com/index.php :-)
June 18th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAMDOCS or COMVERS can retrieve those emails – let’s just ask our Israeli “friends” who use these front companies (which have exclusive contracts with out U.S. law enforcement agencies to tap our electronic communications) to use their “maintenance back-doors” to find those “missing” emails. Hell, they illegally monitor all of America’s communications as it is to give the Israeli lobby more control over us – we know they have the emails.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIf the RNC has to defend this mess all the way to the SC, then it will bankrupt them. And nothing could be better, going into an election year. Bring it on.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:12 pm“Impeachment†… “felonies†… “smoking gun†… bulls**t! NOTHING is going to happen and I think we all know it. Crime really does pay, especially if those who have the power to do something about it (the Dems) … don’t.
If Nancy Pelosi was Norman Pelosi (and just another white male Speaker of the House, second in the line of presidential succession), I suspect that impeachment proceedings would have already begun. They probably would have been over and we’d have the first Italian-American President of the United States, President Pelosi.
The first woman president of the United States
won’tcan’t happen through impeachment. That’s only going to happen through a general election.As is typical in politics, nobody talked about it directly at the time, or confronted Pelosi before the midterm elections when she said that if Democrats take control over Congress, there wouldn’t be any impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Had it been talked about (that impeachment of Bush and Cheney means the Speaker of the House becomes President, and if a woman is Speaker, impeachment is a no-go), I am sure that voters would have called their representatives offices and said, “Then don’t vote for Pelosi as Speaker.”
We traded impeaching Bush and Cheney for having the first woman Speaker of the House of Representatives.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:16 pmGOPcurious,
It’s very odd that those on the Right who proclaim god, Country, and Family all seem to look the other way when circumstantial evidence of legal shenanigans by this Administration continue unabated. As you know, the WH has already admitted in several daily press briefings that millions of emails were “lost”. Of course, any electronic forensic expert will tell you that, short of eliminating every computer and server involved in the data handshake that is email, partial to complete records are never truly “lost”. In fact, there’s a good chance that complete records can be retrieved with adequate investigation. Furthermore, the fact that these messages were exchanged via RNC servers virtually eliminates the claim of executive privilege. So, we have grounds for investigation, precedent for investigation, and admissions supporting the continuation of an investigation.
In the words of one from your side “It’s a slam dunk!”
June 18th, 2007 at 2:17 pmGOPcurious, you’re obviously retarded, so I will not take you too seriously. I have degrees in history and classics, which means I have studied the western period from 509 BCE – 2007 CE pretty closely. What has happened during this administration is unprecedented: The Supreme Court placing a president in office over the popular people’s vote, well documented voter fraud during the last two elections, pre-emptive war based upon well documented lies (as the newly released intelligence briefs and Pentagon papers leave no doubt of), illegal wiretapping of US citizens, retracting habeas corpus… I am not going to list all the Bush indiscretions, because, we would be here all day, and it’s just not worth the effort. That you characterize these as, “offenses of liberal sensibilities,” while calling people idiots and morons, is hysterical. As an individual, you are a ridiculous joke. As an indicator of many American’s sentiments, you are a symbol of National tragedy. I will call the Democrats on their inadequacies just as I call this administration on its corruption and crimes. This is because I am not rooting for a football team,Follow me closely GOPcurious, I am demanding to be represented in my Democracy. Am I going too fast for you GOPcurious? Go back to school son. Special Olympics trophies only give you a burst of fulfillment, get yourself a mind.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:18 pmThe Senate’s theofascists should be considered ripe for impeachment, as they have clearly been willfull partners-accessories-in Bushist crimes against the Republic and world community.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/congratulations.html
Perhaps an example or two will compel their ranks to re-examine the moral desert between their ears.
Obstruction by those believing in a unitary executive are nothing less than subversive traitors using the federalist facade. Our democracy should not nurture it’s own destruction through acts committed by these ultra-antiAmericans.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/american_fascist_mind.html
June 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmGreat point, Maeven. Wish I’d thought of that. So what is the compromise going to be if we try to have the first woman or African American president?
June 18th, 2007 at 2:27 pm#137: With an attitude like that, it’s not likely that you will be given any representation in the coming world order.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:33 pm#129-I always felt that the Republican party did not suffer the proper consequences after Watergate, after all the party puts up the candidate, through its processes, and vouches for that person. The Republican party should have gone the way of the Whigs after the disgrace of Watergate, but, instead, they llived on to give us Watergate squared, with W et al.
This isn’t just the same party (Republican); these are the same people who were in the Nixon administration. (If you want an interesting look at this chapter of our history, Watergate, the Ford years, and beyond, read John Nichols’ book, “Dick: The Man Who Is President.”) And in between Watergate and now, there was Iran-Contra.
After Nixon resigned and with the war in Vietnam over, we on the left hung up our protest signs, and went back to our real lives, trusting the republic was safe again. Republicans didn’t go back to real life. They plotted, planned, and brooded (much like an insurgency after the U.S. military invades and occupies a country). What is happening now is the result of 30 years of incremental steps by people on a mission (and with huge chips on their shoulders).
June 18th, 2007 at 2:34 pmAs has been pointed out, Palast reports that the real story of the emails is not so much the attorney firings as the theft of the 2004 election:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4594
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060407R.shtml
This is a big story. Conyers is on it, or so we hope.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:35 pmGreat point, Maeven. Wish I’d thought of that. So what is the compromise going to be if we try to have the first woman or African American president?
Comment by weasel — June 18, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
They have already told us. More of the same.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:37 pm#131: And as the history shows, the serfs can be managed unless mistakes are made. I’m quite happy to serve my masters in return for a life worth of living. What you choose is up to you, of course. I couldn’t care less.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:38 pmIsn’t this why Bush hired RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie recently…to shield him from possible subpoenas in this case? Now, as an “adviser” to the President, will Bush claim “Executive Privelege” when the congressional investigating committee seeks to learn what Gillespie is sure to know?
June 18th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSo what is the compromise going to be if we try to have the first woman or African American president?
It’s going to have to happen by a vote of the people, in a general election. The “first” anyway. But it will never happen (the first of anything – woman, black, gay, Asian-American, Hispanic, Jewish, etc., for president) by a default mechanism unless it happens through some catastrophe (like everyone ahead in the line of succession dies).
June 18th, 2007 at 2:42 pmBut it will never happen
June 18th, 2007 at 2:44 pmYou’ve got it right there.
Does anybody take this GOPcurious guy serious? He sounds like a little Rove minion. I hope he doesn’t believe that his ideals represent even a small minority of anybody in this country.
I’d like you to know GOP, that if the time ever came where I had to die fighting for freedom or serve my masters in return for a life worth of living, that there would be no hesitation by me to fight my masters. You should be frightened.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI hope he doesn’t believe that his ideals represent even a small minority of anybody in this country.
What made you think I’d believe anything like that. I’m supporting something that would be extremely unpopular but – because it is existentially necessary for this country and myself – I support it. I don’t care what a minority or even a majority in this country cares about. Founding fathers? Pfft. Dead and gone. We write the history. We decide what is good and bad.
In this day and age the will of the people really is irrelevant.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:50 pmBefore this mess is over, we shall find out that the Bush years will make the Nixon era look positively angelic. Every day, some new probable criminal activity is uncovered. This administration, no doubt, adopted “The King Can Do No Wrong” philosophy. The legacy of this President includes many disasters. Among then: the fact that he started a life long war in the Middle East, he left office with loads of crap still in play for the next president to fix, he personally is responsible for the displacement of millions on Middle East citizens, he demonstrated a total lack of adherence to the law and most of all, he tried to shred the Constitution with his POW nightmare and he politicized every level of the Civil Service System. In eight short years he has brought untold shame on our the USA name among the nations of the world.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:52 pmWow GOP – You, my friend, should go for a psych consult. Your grandiose beliefs and disconnection from reality cause me to be genuinely concerned for your mental health. A serious question – Does schizophrenia run in the family? If so, I’m not kidding, go get checked out.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThe point that I’m trying to make is that if we really want to impeach Bush and Cheney, one of two things have to happen:
1) We have to start chatting up Nancy Pelosi for President, and loudly, or,
2) Pelosi needs to resign as Speaker, at which point members of the House of Representatives would elect a new Speaker from among themselves while realizing that person is in all likelihood going to be the next President of the United States.
Do you see that happening? I don’t, but as an interesting exercise, who in that body would you like to see as President? And how likely is your pick to be the pick of those in the House?
June 18th, 2007 at 2:57 pmThe only good republican is a dead republican.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#151: You just haven’t woken up to reality, yet. We’ve got a fascist new world order here and the only question is, can you serve it to survive and actually be well off.
June 18th, 2007 at 2:59 pmIf the evidence truly doesn’t exist anywhere, then there are no records. If there are no records, then this administration didn’t exist. They’ve effectively vacated their office.
Install the next President: Pelosi.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pmEuhn, any web-rookie in here knows those emails can be retrieved from any of the servers they passed through. The fact that these emails are unretrievable is almost the joke of the century, a close second after the Iraq war. Where’s the freedom? We already had enough freedom to be uninformed, starved and unlovable. Give us something we really need, like those emails for crying out loud. People have no idea what they’re doing and who they are anymore.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:04 pmNow I see the NeoCon wet dream – be subservient to manly men who will “punish” you if you don’t do what they say. You, MAF, and GOP share that wet dream – however, there are plenty of people out there still willing to fight for freedom.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pm“What made you think I’d believe anything like that. I’m supporting something that would be extremely unpopular but – because it is existentially necessary for this country and myself – I support it. I don’t care what a minority or even a majority in this country cares about. Founding fathers? Pfft. Dead and gone. We write the history. We decide what is good and bad.
In this day and age the will of the people really is irrelevant.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 2:50 pm”
MR VICE PRESIDENT–QUIT FOOLING AROUND WITH THE COMPUTER AND GET BACK TO WORK.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:05 pmJericho: It’s apparent that you don’t have any idea have e-mail works. Do you really think that e-mail is stored on every server it passes through? How the HELL do you think that anyone can afford that kind of storage space at every node in the internet.
No. The mail is simply stored for a moment, forwarded, and the scrubbed by the next incoming mail. You simply have no idea how the SMTP protocol works.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAt what point do we stop referring to the USA as a democracy? We are part of what Chomsky called “the bewildered herd.” Oligarchy might be a more fitting definition. Or kleptocracy – the theiving government. Or perhaps the Criminal government Enterprise.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pm#145…Mike…excellent point, and truly Rovian!! I don’t know that it will work, but I think they are just trying to delay the game enough to attack Iran, et.al. and declare martial law, or otherwise discard the Constitution.
Comment by Mike Browne — June 18, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
June 18th, 2007 at 3:09 pm#157: You may laugh all you want, but the truth is that there are these men of power who really are above the law. You will get to know them sooner or later.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmGOPcurious & Patrick1-
I hate to burst your warped fantasies about the “genius” that is Karl Rove but Fred Malek wrote the guide book for Republican theft and scumbaggery back in the Nixon Administration. Rover Bendover (who was part of Nixon’s election campaign) simply has been using this “Corruption for Repug Dummies” book since before King Dumbya’s first campaign. Rove is just another Right Wing scumbag hellbent on the “party before country” mentality that has been destroying the Constitution, Civil Rights and any notion of impartial Jurisprudence since they came to power.
He might not be too purdy but there are plenty of hardened criminals in the system right now dreaming of the day his fat ass hets dumped in their lock up so they can tear him a new one for the rest of us.
p.s.- Did anyone consider that Alberto Gonzales (who was Council to the POTUS at the time) had his own RNC account and Blackberry?
June 18th, 2007 at 3:11 pmFirst Impeach then waterboard then imprison the whole lot of ‘em!
What’s your point? When/if Rove gets dumped, I hope GOP has the next strategist hired.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:14 pmGOPcurious is playing devil’s advocate for the neocon’s lack of conscience and utter disregard for the constitution, and he is doing a good job I might add. His words reflect the complete lack of integrity and honesty that is reflected by the current state of our government a la the Bush Administration. I commend you GOPcurious for bringing this disdain of our democratic ideals to light by taking on such a radical persona.. kudos my friend!!
June 18th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThis isn’t just the same party (Republican); these are the same people who were in the Nixon administration… They plotted, planned, and brooded (much like an insurgency after the U.S. military invades and occupies a country). What is happening now is the result of 30 years of incremental steps by people on a mission (and with huge chips on their shoulders).
Comment by Maeven
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Exactly! And who did the Nixon supporters blame for the hinderance of their move toward greater executive power? The media, the Congress, and the Courts – the exact conclaves of power they have sought to buy, steal, or otherwise control since Nixon’s time.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmIn any business where notes are required, the absense of standard communication allows a wider variety of acusations of severe illegal and unethical behavior.
The flag is up!
Make all accusations that fit and are now irrefutable per the lack of RNC_WH e-mail communications.
Make the WH prove they are innocent of turning our Federal government their personal ‘Young Repuplican Fraternaty House.’
June 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pmYou gotta admit it though GOPcurious is quite the clown without the red nose and brains a homeless dog has! He’s the President of The 28% Club.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:20 pm“Can you see a democrat President doing something like that? I don’t. ”
June 18th, 2007 at 3:24 pmIt’s Democratic president, you ignorant f-tard.
Why don’t you go kill yourself and start all over?
GOPcurious, and anyone else who would defend the corruption of this administration, are pretty disgusting. I bet GOPcurious was the first to post on the issue of warrantless wire-taps that if we didn’t have anything to hide, we shouldn’t worry. By the same standard, if this administration has nothing to hide, where are the emails?
June 18th, 2007 at 3:25 pmLOL. Poor little GOPCurious apparantly needs a history lesson. Who was the only person in history to order a nuclear attack? It wasn’t a Republican, dumbass. (The Repugs are all hiding out in the National Guard when the going gets rough….and apparantly not reading history while they cover their little ignorant butts.)
June 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pmDoesn’t anyone care? This is Watergate redux. Does no media, court, or group of individuals care enough to take names and remove these sons of ******* from office?
June 18th, 2007 at 3:32 pmJust Democrat posturing for the 2008 elections.
To borrow a phrase from Kim Jong iL in Team America: The Democrats have stopped NOTHING.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThe ignorant trolls actually think they are cheering for a football team instead of becoming accomplices to the greatest crimes of this nation’s history. That says a whold bunch for trolls…the bottom dwelling 28%, the knuckle dragging, brain dead, troglodytes.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:35 pmTHE FBI SHOULD RAID RNC HEADQUARTERS & CONFISCATE ALL OF THEIR SERVERS.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:35 pm“By the same standard, if this administration has nothing to hide, where are the emails?”
Of COURSE our Government has to hide stuff…Like the Sweet,Sweet breath of air that is Our Freedom ! The terrorists want to take it away by any means necessary… using tractor trailers or even moving vans.
So the Government has to hide it from them, and from us too. Ever seen “National Treasure ?” Obviously, those emails are clues just like in the movie, so MUST be protected at all costs…
Jeez, you libs just can’t wait to give away our freedom, can you ?
June 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pm#165: OI! It’s a bullseye! From now on GOPcurious will not be posting on this site anymore.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmGOPcurious,
Go enlist, asswipe.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThis criminal gang of thugs in the White House should not be allowed to get away with this. They should be brought to justice for their criminal activity.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:37 pmCorporate media would not pursue because they are in cahoots with the Republicans and hence are just as criminal.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:38 pmI agree that GOPCurious is either totally insane or merely stirring up the pot. My guess would be the latter.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:39 pmThe problem we have is proving a case for impeachment that the corrupt republican members of congress just cannot deny, and thus be forced to vote for impeachment to save their seats.
Its a difficult but ongoing task of correlating the ever growing laundry list of high crimes and misdemeanors being committed by the Bush administration, and presenting it in such a way as the neocons in congress are forced to accept it.
At one point, no one will be able to vote against impeachment without losing their seat. When that great and terrible day arrives, the House will vote to impeach, and the Senate will ratify.
And Bush, along with his entire group of unAmerican criminals, will be forcably removed from office, and the world will once more stand in awe of this thing we call democracy.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pmTHE FBI SHOULD RAID RNC HEADQUARTERS & CONFISCATE ALL OF THEIR SERVERS.
Comment by Dave — June 18, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Amen to that. They should have done that as soon as it was revealed the White House was circumventing the law by using a political party’s mail servers to conceal official White House communications.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:43 pmI am a Canadian who has been watching your politcal process (if it can still be called that) since 911. And I have to say that after all the illegal and immoral actions of the Bush administration since 911 ~ far too numerous to mention here ~ I am shocked at the fact that that man and his administration are still running your country!!
Wake up America he is a war criminal. He looted your treasure to finance a war based on lies. He invade another country to make his buddies rich. He has created concentration camps and allowed acts torture and injustice to become commonplace. The view from up here has always been that yours was proud nation that was a beacon of democracy, freedom and rule of law. Since his “election” your country is more and more seen as a rogue and dangerous nation. With power comes responsibility. Responsibilty to your fellow man. Bush is so busy making sure that God blesses his version of America that soon, I fear, there will be nothing left worth blessing.
It seems that every day there is another scandal, another illegality, another impropriety ~ missing emails?! What are they doing that can not be shown in the light of day?! What are they hiding?! Yet who is going to stand up and risk their career for the greater good? The good of a humanity that can depend on a strong nation to stand up for freedom and democracy and all those things that have steadily eroded since that man began referring to himself as president?!
God bless America Too.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:44 pmJust don’t sentance traitor Rove until after boy Bush leaves office. Otherwise, a presidential pardon will be in the making.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pm“The ignorant trolls actually think they are cheering for a football team instead of becoming accomplices to the greatest crimes of this nation’s history. ”
See, now there’s where you’ve got it all wrong, Kasinca. Why do you hate football so much ? It is, after all, THE American Game. What do you think the Soldiers were playing at Valley Forge….whist ?
June 18th, 2007 at 3:48 pmHow do you think we won our independence anyway ? Ever heard of the “Student Body Right” play ?
In my opinion, the Only problem with Iraq is that we haven’t sent over some of our best Pro coaches to teach them the game…like Tom Landry or Vince Lombardi…Those guys would fix Iraq quickfast with 2 a day practices. For as EVERYONE KNOWS, where Football and Nascar goes, Freedom soon follows….
GOPcurious -
I would encourage you to stop writing these short messages and go for a longer screed this next time. Don’t make it a few sentences, make it a few pages. Honestly, this stuff that you’ve been coming up with is solid gold. If I wanted to make Republicans look like cartoon characters, I’d be hard pressed to do better than you.
Please, I’m begging you, next time serve us up a huge helping of your ‘insight’. Write a GOP Manifesto, unless you think that sounds too commie liberal! Tell us all about this brave new revival of serfdom, and be sure to point out all the ways that the Master you’ve alluded to is going to make you happy (heh, perhaps you fancy yourself as fulfilling his man-date? Sorry, I’ll leave the jokes to you). This should be richer than listening to the Coultergiest.
Wish I had the power to replace Dennis Miller with a real talent such as yourself. And no, I’m not being facetious – I want you to get your message out loud and clear for all of the world to see. You are the kind of talent that could help hammer the last nails into the Grand Old Party’s coffin, and I for one salute you sir.
Write often and at great length!,
Dan
June 18th, 2007 at 3:49 pmHey, let’s all continue to support Chairman Waxman in the effort to restore a bit of respect to our less-than-equal congressional branch. These guys need to begin acting like leaders rather than “timid little wimps”! … or is that just a synonym for “politician”?
June 18th, 2007 at 3:50 pmUnfortunately Paradiserising, we do not have your Parliment form of government, therefore, a vote of “No Confidence” by the people is not possible to remove a sitting executive.
Only Congress can impeach the President in our political process, and that requires a a two thirds majority.
Given the democrats do not enjoy even close to a two thirds majority, this is a difficult and tedious process.
I would be willing to bet however, that once Bush is out of office, and a Democrat (or independent) occupy the White House, that new laws will be created to ensure that never again, an executive is permitted to run amuck, and do so much damage to the world and our society.
I imagine they will call it “The Bush Act”.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:51 pmOh, yes… let’s also support GOPCurious in his effort to achieve immortality as Incredible-Dunce-of-the-Month.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:54 pmhang em’ high!
June 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pmIn my opinion, the Only problem with Iraq is that we haven’t sent over some of our best Pro coaches to teach them the game…like Tom Landry or Vince Lombardi…Those guys would fix Iraq quickfast with 2 a day practices. For as EVERYONE KNOWS, where Football and Nascar goes, Freedom soon follows….
Comment by Bertloc — June 18, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Well I can only assume you are another progressive, “pretending” to be a neocon so I will approach accordingly.
The big picture here of course, is that it doesn’t matter who we send over.
We could send a million soldiers over, and resurrect the greatest generals of all time. But it wouldn’t change a thing.
You cannot “force” freedom on a nation of people.
All you can do is kill them when they resist.
And in order to subdue Iraq, we would have to kill every man, woman and child.
The only thing we can free them from, is life.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:55 pm“Given the democrats do not enjoy even close to a two thirds majority, this is a difficult and tedious process.”
Ah, so you admit that all the Presidential Opinion polls are wrong.
See, that just goes to prove that the Media is hopelessly slanted and full of Leninistic Castro-ites…..
June 18th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#
hang em’ high!
Comment by llxoxllxoxll — June 18, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
… if you want to see them kicking. Hang them low if you want to see their heads pop off.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:58 pmDead and gone. We write the history. We decide what is good and bad.
In this day and age the will of the people really is irrelevant.
Comment by GOPcurious
I hope TP preserves your real email address, because I’m pretty sure you are espousing treason. And as soon as the corrupt Bush cabal is out of office, you should be brought up on charges.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:58 pmLogic says this can be remedied. If Rove got an email someone sent it. If he sent it somoene got it. If the charge is improper communications with government agencies he may have destroyed the mail on his end but it should still be retrievable on the agency end. If they can find some of the letters that the Republicans saw fit to get rid of I’ll bet they’ll be real interesting.
June 18th, 2007 at 3:59 pm#25, your comment in itself is scary to say that you have it covered with the Supreme Court. Are you suggesting that the Supreme Court will ignore the law to just give a favorable opinion. If you truly believe that, then where is the Supreme Court’s integrity and where is yours, and where does that leave this country with people who have such a disregard for the rule of law. The comment really was quite shocking, but it does illustrate the mentality of this administration and the character of the 32 % that still supports this administration.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pmThe real quote from Waxman’s article is here…
“The RNC has preserved 140,216 e-mails sent or received by Karl Rove. Over half of these e-mails (75,374) were sent to or received from individuals using official “.gov†e-mail accounts ”
The fact that these were coming from .gov e-mails means that they should be considered official business
June 18th, 2007 at 4:00 pmYou just haven’t woken up to reality, yet. We’ve got a fascist new world order here and the only question is, can you serve it to survive and actually be well off.
Comment by MAF54
I don’t believe this is a done deal yet. It is just was you neocons are admittedly trying to accomplish. And a fascist new world order doesn’t exactly fit into our Constitution. So you are advocating overthrowing our system of government. Another treasonous traitor here.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:03 pmComment by BARTLEBEE — June 18, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
So, you are saying that all our cool high tech bombs and stuff, made in the Land of the Free, don’t actually spread freedom wherever they land ?
That makes no sense.
As to my character, sir, I can state this unequivically: I am JUST as intellectually honest and have just as much integrity as ALL my conservative bretheren…
June 18th, 2007 at 4:03 pmSo why isn’t the R.I.C.O. Act used against this gang of traitors? Screw who ordered what and when. The “I don’t remember” defense won’t work real well if the big net is used to catch all the slimey, bottom feeding eels in this ocean. Grab the RNC and MSM slimeballs too.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:04 pm175: The F.B.I. should do what? They’ve been infiltrated and are Bush tools. Mueller allowed every fake terrorist plot to be sent out to a populace dying to live in fear for purely political purposes.
The latest grift was nothing more than an exercise in entrapment involving hobos and an unproductive stooge.
Does anyone truly believe the fed would come to the rescue of the Republic when they’ve proven their holy grail is the fraudulent Patriot Act?
http://www.light-to-dark.com/prism.html
The other federal sham is the Secret Service who witness firsthand crimes in progress yet do nothing to stop it.
How much probable cause do they need for an arrest?
June 18th, 2007 at 4:06 pmHoly smoking gun, Batman! This is HUGE.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:07 pmAnd yet, I just looked at msnbc.com and cnn.com and, you know what…not a word.
“The Hundred Year Reign” of the Reichpublicans hasn’t even hit the 7 year mark and they are already coming unhinged. The blood sport in politics for the rest of the century will be to uncover their hiding places once BushCo all head for Paraguay after 2008. But nothing starts until they make the Fat Man Sing, … to paraphrase from Opera. Pick one, … any one. For my tastes, I’d take vacation days to watch Karl drool and stammer before Congress. I don’t think he likes the limelight, … Roaches generally don’t.
Oh, … GOP Curious, … (Is that like “Curious George”?), your phone a little slow today, or were you hit with some cutbacks on K Street?
June 18th, 2007 at 4:10 pmThe Big question is not “What will we do ?”…it is “What will they do when confronted ?”
Clearly they are setting this up for the long term…so, how far are they willing to take it to maintain control ?
June 18th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”, … and so starts a Declaration written on our behalf. It does not state that the people referred to must be on separate continents, … simply to be of different minds and intentions. It does not state that it should never happen again, … indeed it states that it should occur whenever the needs arise, … as perhaps they appear to be again in America. When and if Bush and his criminal enterprise have dissolved the functionality of the legislature, and the courts, … as he may already have essentially done, then the American People ill face a difficult choice once again, and face the need to again declare independence from those who have rent the fabric of our Nation in their greed.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:19 pm” And as the history shows, the serfs can be managed unless mistakes are made. I’m quite happy to serve my masters in return for a life worth of living. ”
Absolutely. Masters throughout the history have always ensured that their serfs’ lives are happy, healthy, and entirely worth of living.
GOPcurious, you are adorable!
June 18th, 2007 at 4:20 pmTo those who falsely believe our present state is Nixonian:
http://www.light-to-dark.com/lenin_trotsky_strauss_and_kristol.html
I invite you to use most any search engine and discover the roots of the Neo Con. Let me make it simple: The term totalitarian, whether born of left or right, or a hybridization…
http://www.light-to-dark.com/leo_to_bill.html
…remains totalitarian. These elitist cowards now scream for the pardoning of Libby, as if to somehow dilute their own culpability in the scheme to overthrow our government from within.
Were the F.B.I. to actually defend the Constitution it would have infiltrated the A.E.I., the Hoover Institute, AIPAC, and every other organization promoting totalitarianism and the new global order. Here, let me draw a picture:
http://www.light-to-dark.com/preemption.html
June 18th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWow…the current administration really does make organized crime look like child’s play doesn’t it?
June 18th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWORST.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:31 pmPRESIDENT.
EVER!
Last time i checked America was a democracy but now….
June 18th, 2007 at 4:32 pmHow sheepish have you become to let the remarkable people you can be turn into the cowards you currently are?
The World seems to know much more better than you what you are able accomplish, and that’s why we are so disappointed. Move your butt, people or the rest of the world may never forgive you to let have Bush attack Iran and messed up the entire Middle-East in his “spreading freedom” project.
IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!
June 18th, 2007 at 4:39 pmOur precious ‘deMOCKracy’ in action! and they STILL SIT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:49 pmAlready a very strong case for PERJURY.
June 18th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWho cares at this point? It’s choice between the psychos and the sell-outs. The Dems are all bluff and b.s., they have no teeth and the Republicans are criminals.
America loses and no one with power gives a crap. Ho-Hum.
Fire up the grill and ice the six pack, I’m checking out.
June 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pmYou’ve all been hopelessly trolled by GOPcurious. He’s obviously a liberal and is acting like an idiot on purpose.
I can’t believe 200-odd otherwise intelligent people fell so hard for that.
June 18th, 2007 at 5:07 pm216. Some of us were playing along!
June 18th, 2007 at 5:14 pmLook at Leahy’s response to the news about the e-mails:
“Seems”? What, he’s not sure whether it knows no bounds? Does he need to see more evidence before he can make a conclusion?
No Senator, somebody going 20 miles over the speed limit is “troubling.” What Rove has done is beyond an outrage. It is illegal. It is immoral. It is fascistic.
They were “engaging in an effort” to avoid oversight instead of actually avoiding oversight. They were “ignoring” laws and making an “end-run” around them instead of breaking them. Senator Leahy is still “wondering” why they could have done such a thing.
Leahy isn’t prepared to fight fire with fire. He doesn’t have the courage to try to impeach them for breaking the law, so all he can do is “hope” and “look forward” to the day when fascists suddenly convert to democracy. He’s waving his subpoena before the cameras just like Neville Chamberlain waved his little piece of paper in 1939.
June 18th, 2007 at 5:15 pmOur fealess leader has gotten away with committing crimes so many times in his lifetime, of course, he knows he can still get away with committing crimes, as long as those with money and power feel that crimes are legal for themselves and illegal for those with no money or power, and use our so called Democracy as their excuse. And until someone can stand-up and say enough is enough, our ranting and raving about these criminals is NOT changing, and our fearless leaders don care as long as they each believe they are getting a bigger piece of the pie.
June 18th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThe suspect e-mails aren’t really gone, even if the republicans went to a lot of trouble to make it seem so. Helix can still save the day, if congress were to get court orders to impound the computers on which the emails were written, and to inspect the RNC’s ISP’s servers. But how likely is that?
June 18th, 2007 at 5:43 pmLet’s be honest. First of all, you don’t name these “investigators” so they could be anyone. How do we know the validity of these claims? In addition, I work for one big internet email company, but continue to use my account from another one (a competitor) simply because everyone I communicate with already knows that address. Why do we have to assume the worst in everything pertaining to Bush, et al.? I’m sure something similar occurred in the Clinton administration, and where was your indignation then? You guys are partisan hacks…Bush bad, Bush bad, Clinton good…it’s all you know…Not a shred of real intellectual acumen here at all…
June 18th, 2007 at 5:49 pmanyone destroying white house emails should automatically go to jail
June 18th, 2007 at 5:52 pmIMPEACH…INDICT…INCARCERATE
June 18th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI work for one big internet email company, but continue to use my account from another one (a competitor) simply because everyone I communicate with already knows that address. Why do we have to assume the worst in everything pertaining to Bush, et al.?
Comment by Rich — June 18, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Why?
A. Because we know the character of the White House cabinet as displayed by their past performance.
B. Because its the FREAKIN WHITE HOUSE.
See Einstein, in our country, the Executive office of the President is required to maitain all offical communications. Period.
Not some communications, or the communications you little pigs want to let out. ALL communications.
And destroying those communications, is a federal crime, as is using a 3rd party email system to try to hide those communications.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:17 pmJust how were these e-mails destroyed. Hitting DELETE won’t do it.
Unless they completely destroyed everyones hard drive ANY forensic computer analyst can retrieve “lost” information.
Besides, just WHO are the investigators that have declared anything is destroyed? Sounds like a load of Bush’s shit to me.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:20 pmI’m sure something similar occurred in the Clinton administration,
Comment by Rich — June 18, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Based on the idiocy of that statement, I’m surprised that you didn’t say in the Roosevelt administration.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:20 pmYou guys are partisan hacks…Bush bad, Bush bad, Clinton good…it’s all you know…Not a shred of real intellectual acumen here at all…
Comment by Partisan Hack — June 18, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
So far junior, you’re the only partisan hack in here even talking about Clinton.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWe’re talking about Karl Rove (Turdblossom).
You stumbled in and started crying “but Bill Clinton might have done it too!, lol.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:25 pmBut, Clinton had a Christmas card list! Waaaaaaahh
June 18th, 2007 at 6:42 pmNot a shred of real intellectual acumen here at all…
Comment by Rich — June 18, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Intellectual acumen = ability to dismiss reality
Rich, my boy, your “intellectual acumen” displays very well your imaginative yet morally bankrupt character.
June 18th, 2007 at 6:47 pmYeah, GOPcurious – if you destroy the body, there is no murder, right…?
Good grief. What is WRONG with you rightwing MORONS??
June 18th, 2007 at 6:55 pmdid president bush say that he would fire the person or persons who
June 18th, 2007 at 7:06 pmgave up valorie plame? was it carl rove? is it true that the ben ladon
family were one of bush’s larger contributors? just wanted to keep my
facts right and excuse the spelling.
Impeach Bush and Cheney and do it now!!!!
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
June 18th, 2007 at 7:13 pmDon’t we all know, however much we would like it, that Bush and the gang will not be impeached, or punished in any way. I HOPE the demos will win the 2008 presidential alection, but I EXPECT that either the repubs will steal the election, or some disaster will intervene and Bush will declare a state of emergence and make him self dictator (insofar as he is not already)
June 18th, 2007 at 7:49 pmThis Rove guy is Chuck Norris good.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:24 pmI like him.
On Dec 1st 2006 a new law came into effect that was both endorsed by the Supreme Court and Congress called FRCP. What the RNC did is a clear violation of these new rules. And by the way the law has TEETH!
June 18th, 2007 at 10:38 pm#
You want the truth? I know you can’t handle the truth, but here it comes. All your whining is for nothing because we’re just not going to give up the power in 2008. We will win. Always. There is no other way and nothing is going to get in the way of a permanent Republican majority. Not you, not “the Peopleâ€, no-one.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
June 18th, 2007 at 10:41 pm\
It’s often quite hard to tell with our friendly GOPcurious.
I do hope it’s satire.
All government agencies are required to make back-ups of all email traffic, whether by tape or other means, and to keep them off-site at a secure location. The most dim-witted federal investigator can get a subpoena for the back-ups, regardless of whether the sender or recipient deletes every email. If Rove and his “loyal Bushies” have absconded with the taped back-ups, they will have left Big Foot-sized footprints for congressional investigators to follow.
June 18th, 2007 at 10:57 pmGS-14
FRCP = Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and eDiscovery regs are a big part of it.
June 18th, 2007 at 11:21 pmIs anything going to be done about the many Bush administration crimes, including this one? I just wonder, coz not a damn thing has been done yet!
I, for one, am damned tired of this BS. These bastards should be in prison!
June 18th, 2007 at 11:59 pmA caller on Mike Malloy’s show just stated the news media has not yet reported on this – destruction Of RNC emails. Why not????? what kind of a society do we have these days? DAAMMNNN.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:07 amBush’s poll numbers are about 30% approval.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:40 amAbout the same percentage belive that the end of the world will come soon.
Just connect the dots.
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
June 19th, 2007 at 1:18 amIMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH
Remember Dan Rather. This may be a setup by Rove. They may end up “finding” the “deleted” emails and they may all be totally innocent transactions. If real crooks want to communicate they would use high level encryption. Just a dark paranoid thought.
June 19th, 2007 at 1:50 amSo what if this does go to the Supreme Court. Those assholes are the one that gave this mob group the jobs! They’re all in it together!! BEsides, these Democrats are so soft now, they’ll say “We don’t have enough votes.” This bunch has been breaking law after law after law and they know it. They also know nothing will happen. It’s like bullies in a school who know the administration is weak and afraid of them. They continue to break the laws and laugh at those who supposedly are in charge!!!!! One more thing, if the Democrats think that impeachment would weaken this nation-it can only make it stronger!!! We need to get rid of the parasites that have been riding their wave of crime for six long years. Give Bush, Cheney, Condi, Rummy, Rove-all that bunch of mobsters a room at Gitmo-don’t try them-after all that is Bush’s way to deal with terrorists which is what this administration is full of!!!!!
June 19th, 2007 at 8:08 amRICO. RICO. RICO. Arest all of those involved and dissolve the Republican Party.
Do we have high crimes and misdemeanors yet?
Democratic candidates, return ALL of your corporate money, let’s see what you have to offer without their influence, and let’s have a level playing field. Talk to us, not the big money.
And bust these criminals, all of them.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:02 amOne can only hope that computer forensics have progressed past the point at which the RNC-WH crime families’ IP staffs are proficient.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:43 amTreason, war crimes, murder, illegal eavesdropping on American citizens, torture, etc…. Impeach, imprison, and execution would be what any true democracy would do to these people.
June 19th, 2007 at 9:59 amDestroyed? anybody check with the NSA, with their “taps” in to every internet pipeline in existence, come on!
June 19th, 2007 at 10:43 amTreason is still a crime, along with perjury, obstruction, caging, conspiracy, and violations of the Hatch Act. No?
http://www.light-to-dark.com/worm_2.html
I think the seventy percent are growing impatient with the prosecution of the Straussian neofascists who have hijacked our republic.
Timing the prosecution for election ‘08 is not acting wisely.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:11 amHarddrives have serial numbers and are listed components of commercially-manufactured computers, which I’d assume the RNC would use. Replacement of components can be checked against manufacturer databases-unless they were scrubbed. So, unless the units are built non-commercially there will very likely be a trail.
Mellman and the RNC need to explain what happened to the original hdds, or entire computers it bought.
At any rate, even fdisk will not remove the ghost, I believe. I could be wrong, but data can be retrieved from almost any hdd.
Someone knows and the chain is very long with lots of links that will want to avoid prison time.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/gop_in_orange.html
June 19th, 2007 at 11:37 amYa know,folks like GOPcurious must be pitied for they do not realize that the criminals in the WH are not really conservatives at all and are in fact anything but.When you have former Reagan staff members calling for the impeachment and arrest of klan Bush-Cheney,surely this has to alarm even the blindest of Bush supporters.Its time to grow up kiddies and realize that there is a difference between what you see on television and reality.Going around and shooting the place up does not work in the real world and never will and neither does trying to destroy evidence to cover up your crime.And in this particular instance shredding your e-mails is futile since an electronic imprintis still there and easily retrievable.
June 19th, 2007 at 11:51 amIf a detainee knows of an immediate danger to us he should be tortured NOW to derail the danger. That’s the logic for justifing the practice. The Nation is at peril here so does the reasoning apply to the Administration also.? The sooner the culprits are dealt with the sooner the danger will pass.
June 19th, 2007 at 12:20 pmDon’t
Feed
the TROLLS!
June 19th, 2007 at 1:06 pmcaption for the picture of Rove and his Blackberry
“Whoa, how do you use this thing#!*!
June 19th, 2007 at 3:37 pmDamn, lost another email”
“Ok, so if everything’s been destroyed, where’s the evidence? This is nothing but lunatic left’s dirty fantasy.
Comment by GOPcurious — June 18, 2007 @ 12:05 pmâ€
Let me respond to this as computer expert, All email messages are logged on every intermediate server with a unique id. Id can be used to trace the email to it origins . I also I happen to know for a fact the government is reading your email.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:45 pm256: Then it knows it had better act to defend and protect the Constitution.
There is and will be no compromise.
Yes, the State Department has hung out at my site for months. But other entities have too. Any requests for hard copy will be satisfied and isp’s will be noted.
I welcome the placing of all cards on the table. So do the generals, including Pace and CENTCOM. There is no controversy. The non-theobotic military will stand with us, I believe.
Martial Law will not be tolerated from the bottom to the very top. Openess has the most obvious advantage.
We are the Republic…
period
June 19th, 2007 at 8:42 pmSo, now everyone needs to spread the word!
BushCo breaks laws every day!
They must be IMPEACHED! Otherwise the precident is set and were that much further away from democracy.
Start with Cheney, whatever, get it done so we can begin to recover.
June 19th, 2007 at 10:13 pmI sent CNN.com this note:
Why isn’t this still the top story!
Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act
June 19th, 2007 at 10:14 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/18/emails-waxman/
Massive lawbreaking by the executive branch of our government. If you inform the American people about how far the lawbreaking has gone maybe we could impeach these crazies and restore the rule of law.
MORE OF THE SAME FROM THE “BUSH CRIME FAMILY” THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 21st, 2007 at 12:07 pmGet this cancerous plague of crooks and crony-lovers, that is Bush Blight out of our government now!
June 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pm“…we mutaully pledge to each other our lives our fortunes and our sacred honor.” Declaration of Independence. (when did we forget?)
If someone is breaking into your house and you leave the door open and the windows open while he and his family sleeps, whose fault is that, the guy breaking in- or the guy with the door/windows open?
June 26th, 2007 at 12:33 pmSo congress has left the doors open while they are supposed to be “protecting” us (US). So this is what we have when we have MEN “protecting” all of us…talk about honoring the father figure. I think Nancy needs to step up to the plate and say “Screw the deal and the ship it came in on, I’ve had enough!!!”
It seems to me that maybe all of these guys were just horribly abused at some point int their lives and are in turn taking it out on the rest of us and the world.
Then again we’ve got an Alocoholic with no program running things and a congress that needs to be in AL-Anon so as to take a look at just what their part has been in this whole mess.
This is such a dysfunctional mess- The Republicans get into office and give away the farm, and in this case literally, the Dems get into office clean everything up but then they can’t hold onto office, they give away their/our power… where’s Dr. Phil…I can just hear him saying “So how’s that working for ya?” Congress reminds me of the parents who give the teenager the credit card the kid spends well above his/her limit the parents keep paying down the debt but don’t the credit card away! But they just keep playing vicitm and complaining pissing and moaning about what the kid is doing…!
So my question if the Congress isn’t going to do anything-What is it that WE can do? Besides phone calls, letters and waiting until the next election which may or may not really change anything.
Of course these criminals can be prosecuted in the next administration. These crimes are felonies with at seven year statute of limitations if I am not mistaken.
July 30th, 2007 at 7:10 am