Brooks: In His New Tape, Bin Laden Sounds Like He’s Been ‘Reading Lefty Blogs’
Brooks: In His New Tape, Bin Laden Sounds Like He’s Been ‘Reading Lefty Blogs’
Last night on PBS’ The NewsHour, New York Times columnist David Brooks compared 9/11 mastermind Osama bin Laden’s latest video message to “lefty blogs,” saying the al Qaeda head is like “one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom of the page.” He then went to describe why he drew such a comparison:
You read this thing, and it’s like he’s been sitting around reading lefty blogs, and he’s one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom the page, you know, Noam Chomsky and all this stuff.
You can’t help read it and not laugh at it, occasionally, because it is just absurd. It’s flying this way, and that way, weird conspiracy theories, and mortgages, global warming. He throws it all in there.
Watch it:
Brooks’ comments are part of an effort by prominent right-wing voices to try to tie Osama bin Laden to the left. At Hot Air, Allahpundit claimed bin Laden sounded like a “socialist icon,” invoking many of the same passages Brooks did. At Political Vindication, Uncle Seth the Noble went further, claiming bin Laden sounded like Daily Kos’ Markos Moulitsas:
Osama’s Left wing platitudes stand out remarkably in this transcript! After reading this, who do you think he is pulling for in the next election…. Republicans or Democrats? Seriously, would this not pump up the entire Democratic Party base if this speech were given at next year’s convention? I could see Markos ‘Screw Them’ Moulitsas break dancing in the background as the cheers and applauses roared in from the Democratic diehards. Can you hear them? “Osama for President!”
Frank J, a Pajamas Media blogger, concludes “Kos has to get this guy as a diarist before HuffPo does.”
Considering bin Laden’s threat yesterday to “escalate the killing and fighting against” America, Brooks and his fellow conservatives’ attempts at humor — and that’s a charitable reading of their words — are especially insulting, as it impugns not only the patriotism, but also the character and intelligence of literally millions of daily participants in the progressive blogosphere.
Transcript:
JIM LEHRER: And finally tonight, here comes Petraeus, and other stories of the week, as analyzed by Shields and Brooks, syndicated columnist Mark Shields, New York Times columnist David Brooks.Mark, first, have a thought about the new bin Laden tape?
MARK SHIELDS, Syndicated Columnist: I guess only after listening to Judy’s discussion, two things hit me. One, there were no overt threats in it to the United States. And, two, it was quite self-indulgent, I thought, on his part, I mean, in that sense. It obviously was made rather recently, too.
JIM LEHRER: Scary in any way?
DAVID BROOKS, Columnist, New York Times: No, ludicrous. I mean, on one hand, he’s a malevolent guy who killed 3,000 Americans. But you read this thing, and it’s like he’s been sitting around reading lefty blogs, and he’s one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom the page, you know, Noam Chomsky and all this stuff.
You can’t help read it and not laugh at it, occasionally, because it is just absurd. It’s flying this way, and that way, weird conspiracy theories, and mortgages, global warming. He throws it all in there.
The one thing that leapt out — and Bruce Hoffman and the others mentioned this — was how Western it is. And a friend of mine, Reuel Gerecht, points out that there’s this argument that Western ideas never permeated into the Arab world, but in fact it’s all — I mean, a lot of the worst ideas from the West have permeated in, and he’s picked up Noam Chomsky, and he’s picked up some of the anti-globalization stuff. And that’s what infuses this.
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Yep, the blogs are the root of all evil. *eye roll*
September 8th, 2007 at 12:34 pmbrooks rants and we cringe.! NO! we have 500 days – and if anyone thinks for one second that th goopers are going to go quietly you are nuts!
September 8th, 2007 at 12:38 pmSo, what do we do?
go quietly?
The right wing wackos are circling the wagons because they will be decimated in the upcoming elections.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:38 pmJust proves one thing: OBL is a hell of a lot more astute than the fools spouting off about him. At least he can recognize the problems in the world even if his solutions may be a little harsh. He doesn’t run around with his head firmly implanted in the bushco rectum as most of the right wing-nut clowns do.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:40 pmFrom Bush to Brooks, Osama bin Laden knows how to play his useful idiots.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:40 pmwell, Brooks might be attempting to impugn the patriotism, charactger and intelligence of the left. but, being Brooks, he is credilbility-free, and his every puking up of his addled talking points takes his employers further into irrelevance. a sure sign of how far the NYT has slipped is the continued employment of this simple-minded tool.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWeak attempt at transferrance. Anyone who spends time reading blogs knows the nuttiest stuff comes from the Right.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:41 pmBrooks is also perturbed that Osama didnt pick up on Hitler’s writings, thus is ignoring the Bush regime entirely. NOT FAIR!
September 8th, 2007 at 12:42 pmYeah, Osama slept in our guest bedroom last night.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:44 pmDamn bloggers.
(Boy that’ll get the NSA on my ass, right?)
At least Brooks has dropped the ridiculous premise that he was somehow against GWB in the past. That facade was stripped away in about 5 minutes.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:45 pmSo, the pajamas media crowd has coordinated an anti-progressive message in order not to have to address the the real issue.
Why is this sonofabltch still around, Mr. Bush!
September 8th, 2007 at 12:46 pmBin Laden is a right winger, he’s one of them.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI fee kinda honored to be so insulted! It means we’re having an impact.
Thanks, Bobo!
September 8th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWhat an insult. What a piece of crap this Brooks is. What a freakin traitor.
I’m all over PBS on this one.
How long can we allow the Republicans to keep calling peaceful people terrorists?????????????????????????????
September 8th, 2007 at 12:47 pmhell, from the little i heard, i thought he sounded
September 8th, 2007 at 12:48 pmmuch like many of our troolls here…
How silly of me! I thought it was the Right wing that was naive enough to bring us into a meaningless quagmire of a war! Golly day, could have fooled me! I now find out that it is the Left that is childish.
Mr. Brooks, you have been banging the drums of war for years. You are not a sophisticate. You are a fool. You are worse than a fool. You instigate murder. I find you disgusting.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:50 pmdamn… sure wish you hadn’t given that frankj any kind of attention…
September 8th, 2007 at 12:51 pmoy… that one does not need a bigger ego…
…
In the movie “10″, there is a line that “when Mrs. Whipple breaks wind, we beat the dog”. That’s exactly what the Republicans do, every crime they commit or every lie they tell can be exorcized by just beating up Democrats.
The question is why does the Media love to give voice to liars and mud throwing partisan bigots like Brooks… what a buch of crap!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“it impugns not only the patriotism, but also the character and intelligence of literally millions of daily participants in the progressive blogosphere.”
Boy, have you got that right! Now, what are going to do to counteract that slander??????
September 8th, 2007 at 12:53 pmBrooks isn’t fit to wipe Noam Chomskys ass
September 8th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBin Laden’s annual video is a stark reminder that Bush and his neocons have failed big. Wrong country, wrong war, wrong enemy. Bin Laden also reminds the world that is was he and not Saddam Hussein who killed Americans on US soil.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:54 pmWhy is this sonofabltch still around, Mr. Bush!
Comment by troqua — September 8, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
“wanted, dead or alive” …
wanted, for purposes of intimidation, propaganda…
September 8th, 2007 at 12:54 pm…
‘Osama Bin Convenience’ surfacing again.
September 8th, 2007 at 12:58 pmBrooks and the rest of the Republican propaganda mill are vociferously attacking the progressive Blogs. Why??? EFFECTIVENESS
September 8th, 2007 at 1:01 pmThe Republicans had been relying on the old principle first stated by Mark Twain…” A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting its shoes on.”
Well, thanks to the internet and blogs, the truth is back in the race.
Anytime someone attacks the messenger, and avoids the message, they are worried about the message.
70% of Americans have rejected Bush’s Iraq policy…not because they were unduly influenced by the progressive blogs…but because they recognize the truth when they see it.
The Republicans are too funny. They really are running scared. Why would Osama want the Democrats to win? Bush has been the best thing that ever happened to al Quaeda. Bush has recruited tens of thousands of new recruits for al Quaeda, he has bankrupted this country and the has turned the world against us. That is what Osama wanted. Bush gave it all to him. So, I don’t understand why anyone would think that Osama would like the Democrats to win.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:03 pmIn the vidoe Bin Ladin who is living in a cave and supposed to be surviving on dialysis machine looks younger with a thick black beard covering most of his face even his lips while Bush is getting his hair more gray as he is getting older..
September 8th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI wonder what kind of ‘Just For Men’ Bin Ladin is using..
First, contrary to what Mr. Brooks says, 3000 Americans did not die in the Twin Towers. More than 500 of the dead were foreign nationals, from various countries.
This type of claim, comparing Bin Laden’s views to those of the left worked for Bush before. On the eve of the 2004 election, if you recall, Bin Laden issued a video tape. In that tape, Bin Laden was highly critical of Bush. The effect was dramatic. Talking heads from the right wing went into a veritable frenzy on the airwaves, suggesting that Bin Laden supported John Kerry and therefore true Americans should stand behind George Bush. Osama helped Bush get re-elected and we can understand why: Al Qaeda has grown by leaps and bounds since the invasion of Iraq and, the more we stay bogged down in a quagmire, the more influence Bin Laden acquires in the Moslem world.
Now that we are on the eve of another important milestone, the Iraq report that might determine whether we stay or leave Iraq, Bin Laden again issues a tape. I don’t have to tell you what effect Bin Laden is trying to have on the American people, as I’m sure you’re capable of determining that for yourselves.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:05 pm#26 tarazan
The answer to your question vis-a-vis OBL and GWB lies in the fact that Muslims do not consume alcoholic beverages.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:09 pmThe trolls must be asleep this morning. I haven’t been called a terrorist or traitor once in this thread.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:12 pmPBS is a now a Reichwing tool. Time to defund it and end this corporate welfare.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAnother miss by the right…
Bin Laden attacks the US and we attack Iraq.
He taunts us again and the right goes after the left.
Couldnt find a target if it was in neon and glowed in the dark…
September 8th, 2007 at 1:16 pmFirst off, someone should note that Usama bin Laden is still a threat after 6 years. How one man who has done so much evil has avoided detection is beyond me, except that the “administration” is keeping him alive to make sure they have a focus of fear with they need it.
Secondly…How is it that Usama’s video would be in the hands of the “administration” before it is released on the normal channels, such as “terrorist webpages”?. Why would the terrorist webpages announce preview of a video from a fugitive? If Usama is such an “enemy” to the west, and his video may be filled with “vieled threats” or calls to act, or viewed as “propaganda” to al Qui’da and the Islamic terrorist groups, why isn’t it released at all if it could be intercepted before released? Who translates these videos anyway? To me, this seems so much like a marketing scheme for a movie.
Thirdly…How did bin laden’s expressions on this video come to be more specificly political to be friendly to the progressive movement. It almost sounds as if it was created in the Fox News Studios. It seems a man who dispises the west would not express especially progressive views and use names of progressive authors.
Forthly…Why do these videos seem to “come up” when we reach times of decision about the war in Iraq, or major elections?
Hey…I am just expressing a common need to know. I am not making any acusations here. I belive these are rational, intelligent questions that increasingly those who are coming out of the closet of fear are asking ourselves, and wondering how we let ourselves go this far without common sense and good judgement.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:18 pmComment by Zanubiyah — September 8, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
OBL is a symbol of this administration. He’s almost a member.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:19 pmBrooks and the right have watched the evidence mount that their world view is not only profoundly flawed, but infantile and self-serving. Figures they would look to a Bin Laden rant to try to prop it back up.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:20 pmAnyone think the tape might be a forgery?
Written by someone in the White House?
The language is indeed westernized – not like previous tapes.
The timing is suspicious again, now the language is suspicious, and he even looks suspicious. They tell is the tape is authentic, is it?
September 8th, 2007 at 1:26 pmRepublican’s. never at a loss to blame Democrats for their failures.
As for Osama, sounds like he’s been doing lots of things.
He should be lifting Lily’s.
Any thoughts on that Brooks? No? Didn’t think so.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:27 pmUBL is being shrewd here, I think. He could have come out and said “kill kill kill blah blah blah,” goading hawks into a frenzy of nationalism prompting them to act foolishly as he has in the past. That mission was accomplished long ago and continues apace without further prompting.
What he did this time was divide Americans even sharper, and by taking a more social construct in his message poisoned the well. He knew what Brooks and those like him would say before they did. Very shrewd.
GOP = Global Osama Puppets
September 8th, 2007 at 1:27 pm“what Bin Laden says makes perfect sense”
unless you’ve not read the article…here it is
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf
September 8th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIn fact its a shame Bin Laden was not president of the US
September 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pmIt almost sounds as if it was created in the Fox News Studios.
Comment by Zanubiyah
Yea, I got that impression too.
Excellent questions and points !
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September 8th, 2007 at 1:30 pmOf course he sounds like a Leftist. Nobody ever said Bin Laden was stupid!!
You thought he’d sound like…what….. Bush? O’Reilly? Hannity? Mulkin? Rush? He can’t. He is a murderer, he’s not insane.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmRepublicans need us to be askeert, but why haven’t they convinced the Pakistani government to go get OBL?
September 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmOh, because then their boogeyman would be gone. Right.
Yeh but we all know that Osama is a Raygun Freedom Fighter.
Idiot media, created by the idiots, for the idiots.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmSo if you’re not a Nazi then you’re a terrorist?
Great choice, thanks!
F*ck you Brooks, you’re a whore.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:31 pmtheres more truth in every paragraph of bin Ladens speech than Bush has told in an entire lifetime
September 8th, 2007 at 1:32 pmAs usual, Brooks is just another wing-nut furball in the basket…
I’m amazed that printers haven’t run out of ink printing and distributing all these “talking points” to these morons….They obviously can’t think for themselves!!
WHY PBS and the NYT times tolerate this self-delusion is beyond me…
September 8th, 2007 at 1:32 pmOf course he sounds like a Leftist. Nobody ever said Bin Laden was stupid!!
You thought he’d sound like…what….. Bush? O’Reilly? Hannity? Mulkin? Rush? He can’t. He is a murderer, he’s not insane.
Comment by Abby — September 8, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Well-played!
September 8th, 2007 at 1:35 pmBin Ladens speech was better than Bushes right wing ramble last week
September 8th, 2007 at 1:36 pmComment by Zanubiyah — September 8, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
I like the way you think, i.e., logically!
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Comment by Marie — September 8, 2007 @ 1:26 pm
Hey, Marie, nice to see you. I agree, everything about this video stinks to high heaven.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI’m amazed that printers haven’t run out of ink printing and distributing all these “talking points†to these morons….They obviously can’t think for themselves!!
And that’s for the ones they emailed!!
September 8th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI guess David Brooks forgot to mention that when Bin Laden struck on 9/11 (if it was Bin Laden), that Osama was acting like an aggressive right winger.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Comment by Tobey Tall
I think we have a namejacker on board.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGee, lemme see. The sub-prime mortgage meltdown?
[Thats a right wing greedy thing.]
Osama is for war.
[nope, thats not a lefty thing.]
Osama wants peace? Nope. He cant be a lefty.
Osama want US troops to go home? Nope.
[Thats not a lefty thing to do.]
Osama likes Stalinism?
[Gee, so why did he fight communism in Afghanistan?]
Osama attacked liberal lefty New York
[Hardly a way to make himslef liked by leftys.]
Osama is from Saudi Arabia.
[Lefties dont hold Saudi hands]
Mr Brooks makes no sense. What Osama repeats is what he reads in the controversial [Fox] centrist [Corporate] media and whats found in the European news.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:43 pmWhich came first? Osama’s Rove/CIA-produced script, or Rove’s strategy to compare “lefty blog conspiracy theorists” to the actor posing as Bin Laden?
You have virtually no proof that this is Bin Laden.
Who dyes his beard?
September 8th, 2007 at 1:44 pmHave you actually LOOKED at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm
Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes
Kevin Barrett
As a PhD in Islamic and Arabic Studies, I hate to say this, but I’ll say it anyway. The events of 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. The war on terror itself is as phony as the latest “Bin Laden tape.â€
Compare the nose of the actor in the video tape with that of Bin Laden:
http://www.911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml
This is NOT BIN LADEN.
Repeat this information often.
LOOK AT THE VIDEO – IT’S FAKE.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThe Bush administration has provided OBL with everything he wanted from 9/11.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pmAmerica hated more than ever around the world, umpteen mujhadeen recruits, American troops on Islamic soil getting shot up daily.
Heckuva job chympie!
I think we have a namejacker on board.
Comment by ∞Ω — September 8, 2007
Its Mister P, hes got an erection for Tobey this week.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:45 pmOsama bin Ladens ratings will go up 75% with his speech
Bushes rating went down -500 points with his crap speech all about bombing Iran and mentioning Al Queda 35 times – his speech was Drivel
If Bush was leading Al Queda that would be great – Al Queda would fail
September 8th, 2007 at 1:47 pmMr Brooks:
Osama isn’t wanted by the FBI in connection with 9/11 – but THESE GUYS were caught red-handed on 9/11 and failed seven polygraph tests.
How come you’re not talking about these guys?
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html
September 8th, 2007 at 1:51 pmYou have virtually no proof that this is Bin Laden.
Who dyes his beard?
Comment by ace — September 8, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Jury’s out on that one. Muslim scholars say it’s either forbidden or encouraged. The Quraan says in some passages that a white beard is a sign of wisdom, but in other passages says that ladies love a guy with a dark beard. I’d think UBL would want to go for the “elder statesman” look, but what do I know?
September 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI sat and watched this last night and all I could do was shake my head at Brooks. When has he been right about anything?
He never lets the facts get in his way. I can hardly wait to see his column tomorrow. It’s usually a nonsense filled diatribe.
September 8th, 2007 at 1:55 pmDear Mr Brooks, It occurs to me that (R)Brent Scowcroft and (R) George H W Bush Sr. did not go into Baghdad because, in their words, it would destabilize the middle east.
We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. … We were disappointed that Saddam’s defeat did not break his hold on power, …
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/2003/0419reasonsnot.htm
Scowcroft also warned that a war in Iraq would undermine the war on terror.
t would undermine our antiterror efforts. BY BRENT SCOWCROFT … The most serious cost, however, would be to the war on terrorism. …
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133
(R) Dick Cheney, in 1994, stated:
Dick Cheney ‘94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire In this interview from April 15th, 1994, Dick Cheney reveals the reasons why invading Baghdad and …
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18171.htm
Are these the lefties you speak of Mr Brooks?
September 8th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI’m sure the fact that Brooks is parroting this talking point, which just happens to be identical to much of the troll banter on the blogs this weekend, is purely coincidental…just like these other coincidences:
Coincidences that seem to have led to a World War…
9/11 (9:00 am) – The CIA began an exercise to simulate a plane crashing into one of it’s buildings.
Ann Tatlock, a CEO at Fiduciary Trust located in the South WTC Tower, is on her way to an early morning charity event at the U.S. Strategic Command Center at Offutt AFB in Nebraska — where Bush later flew to for “safety” — hosted by billionaire Warren Buffett and is escorted by military officers into an officer’s lounge with a TV and watches the 2nd hijacked plane crash right into her offices.
WTC Owner Larry Silverstein is not in his office on the 88th floor of the North Tower because of a “doctors appointment.”
Donald Rumsfeld is in his office at the Pentagon talking about missile defense and the risk of terrorism and predicts there will be a terrorist attack two minutes before the first plane crashes into the WTC.
FAA memo says Flight 11 passenger was shot who happened to be a multi-millionaire elite Israeli military commando who understands Arabic and who happened to be sitting directly in front of one of the alleged hijackers.
On the morning of 9/11, Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) and Rep. Porter Goss (R-FL) — the chairmen of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees — along with Sen. John Kyl (R-AZ) and some other members of the House Intelligence Committee are in a meeting at the Capital building with the director of Pakistani intelligence (ISI), Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmad, who authorized a $100,000 wire transfer to alleged lead 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta.
The instant messaging service Odigo, says that two of its workers at their Israeli facility received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen.
The WTC 7’s fire alarm system is placed on “TEST” mode for an eight hour period for “maintenance or other testing” in which any alarms that are received from the system are not shown on the operator’s display and are considered the result of the maintenance or testing and are ignored.
NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called “Vigilant Guardian” in which some of it’s military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were “part of the exercise.”
A Pentagon rescuer mentions how “eerie” it was that the Pentagon’s MASCAL emergency plane crash plan that he had trained twice for was “very similar to what actually happened”.
Personnel from the Walter Reed Army Medical Center who helped the rescuing efforts at the Pentagon also say that it was “eerie” how an emergency situation they went through just two weeks before the attack helped prepare them for the Pentagon crash.
A group of young men were witnessed on top of a white van celebrating while they were filming themselves with the burning WTC in the background in which they were later arrested and identified as Israeli citizens — some later found to be Israeli spies — with one saying upon being arrested, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” They were found with large amounts of cash, a box cutter, multiple foreign passports, maps linking them to the blasts, and a bomb-sniffing dogs reacted as if detecting explosives in their van.
Within minutes of the explosion at the Pentagon, the FBI confiscates security videos that had captured the crash from a nearby gas station and hotel.
9/11 (10:31 am) – The commander of NORAD says he didn’t receive the presidential order to shoot down any of the hijacked planes until after Flight 93 crashed and the 9/11 Commission report confirms NORAD didn’t get this order until 28 minutes after the crash.
Video coverage shows Palestinians rejoicing over news of the 9/11 attacks, but later the celebrations were found out to have been staged.
Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to “pull it” when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn’t sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to “pull” the WTC 7, they “watched the building collapse.” The term “pull” was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later.
White House staff are given the powerful anthrax antibiotic Cipro, a full month before the first cases of anthrax were reported.
When Benjamin Netanyahu, former prime minister of Israel and elite special forces member for the IDF, was asked what the 9/11 attacks meant for relations between the United States and Israel, he replied, “It’s very good.”
President Bush’s cousin, Jim Pierce, escaped death from the WTC thanks to a “schedule change” the night before.
FEMA in NYC prior to 9-11 for Project TRIPOD terror drill, scheduled for 9-12
As of this writing, June 2, 2004, the transcript of former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s testimony to the 9-11 Commission during the May 18-19, 2004 hearings in New York is the only transcript of that hearing omitted from the Commission website
(http://www.9-11commission.gov).
Did Rudy say something wrong?
“… the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed.”
September 8th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWell my oh my….what have we here Keith Oralmann may not be the king of the leftys but he is a general for sure and by his rant and Osams’ speach I think they have been on vacation togeather. Maybe done a little rock climing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTfsW_uv53o&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Folbermannwatch%2Ecom%2F
September 8th, 2007 at 1:59 pmComment by Billy Hill — September 8, 2007
Naw, he went to Cuba and talked with Limbaugh and Castro.
We all know Limbaugh has a fourway hotline setup to talk with his Bud Osama, Oreilly and Castro.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:03 pmComment by Billy Hill — September 8, 2007
You know, if you can’t communicate above the kindergarten level, no one here is going to want to have a discussion with you. Just thought I’d let you know.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:05 pmMr P you may have un-knowingly uncovered something, I know Oralmann has a man crush on O’Reilly as he has him on his show almost nightly but I would have never drawn a line from Limbaugh to Castro….but if you had said you saw Oralmann and Larry Craig comming out of a port-a-potty at the country fair in Nantucket one time I would have believed you.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:11 pm….I think…
Comment by Billy Hill — September 8, 2007
Yeh thats the poblem with babbling right wangers, they try to think, we all know they dont think but project the parrot words they learn.
Like moonbat, crumb crunchers, cuber,Dadelut dadelut dadelut, feminazi, limbaughloically,Lindsey Graham-nesty
Rush Limbaugh=Manboobs-Manchild
September 8th, 2007 at 2:12 pmCan someone please tell me exactly why Osama is the ‘man of the moment’??? On the one hand, the presidunce is not concerned enough to actually charge him w/9/11 let alone find and eliminate him…but then a trumped up video is supposed to cause us all to wet our pants??? Fred Thompson says that bin Laden is but a symbol (or whatnot) but everyone is screeching about the new video release…?!?!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:16 pmFolks it can’t be BOTH ways…he can’t be persona non grata AND the biggest threat to us…
If someone has a good explanation, please let me know – ’cause this *ahem* ‘logic’ of playing him for two sides of the same coin…it’s just not computing to me.
Thanks in advance – Goddess (and any other deity or collective of same) bless this blue marble…!
Elspeth
You know, if you can’t communicate above the kindergarten level, no one here is going to want to have a discussion with you. Just thought I’d let you know.
Comment by troqua — September 8, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
I have no expectations of a colloquy at any level on this site. Posters here are neither prescient nor sagacious. So sanctimonious troika please enunciate with eloquence your latest clairvoyant tid bit of nuance.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWhether it’s a genuine Bin Laden tape (unlikely) or it’s a Bush manufactured fake like many before this, what Bin Laden or the fake Bin Laden said on the tape is not important. The only important thing about this tape is the timing of the release. Why now and why not as usual as an October “surprise” right before the elections?
Bush is in Australia where their Bush, Howard, is facing a tough reelection and needs a terror boost. Here even the Democrats, who were never really anti-war (remember how they threw Sheehan under the bus?), have begun to use the anti-war message for political purposes. The US is in a real danger of changing the course in the Middle East. The stock market is not too hot with the DOW trying to touch 13000 after having touched 14000 not too long ago. Job losses are breaking new records, Republican hypocrisy and corruption are dominating the headlines………
In short, there are thousands of reasons why Bush needs a fresh Bin Laden tape and, as always, one comes out right on cue.
What the tape says in meaningless. Why at this time means everything.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:17 pmIt’s amazing how Osama always times his video releases to achieve maximum benefit for the Cheney administration. In the new Orwellian reality, how can you be sure 1) that Osama bin Laden really exists (and that the person generally believed to be him hasn’t died or been killed), 2)the person on the tape is the real Osama bin Laden, whoever that is, and not an actor, 3) that he’s responsible for all the crimes attributed to him and 4)that he’s not either being used as a front or working for the same interests that put the Cheney administration in power, ie. the oil companies and petro-oligarchs like the Saudi royal family? We accept so much the Cheney junta tells us or has heavily redacted commission reports tell us. How do we know whether any of it is true?
September 8th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWhat’s scary is that many on the right, apparently including David Brooks, actually believe that “the Left” is somehow supportive of, or in cahoots with, Islamic fundamentalist maniacs like Osama bin Laden. They must believe this, I guess, to justify their continued support for the venality and arrogance of the Bush administration and the Republican Party.
In fact, most people on the Left are suspicious of all forms of fundamentalism. Ironically, this includes political ideologies that are rigid or dogmatic. It’s hard to imagine that David Brooks really reads “lefty blogs.” More likely, he gets his information about “lefty blogs” from right-wing sources.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:21 pmComment by Mr P — September 8, 2007
He learned that during his freedom fighter days under the guidance of Ray man Ray Gun
Speaking of whores, hows old Haggard and Cuntinhand Cunningham doing Mr P?
September 8th, 2007 at 2:22 pmComment by Billy Hill — September 8, 2007 @ 2:17
You blew it at the end: “tidbit” is all one word.
Mr. P, you stopped being entertaining a long, long time ago. Time to STFU. It’s too bad, I used to think that you had a brain.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIf bin Laden is not on the Democrats payroll he should be because what he does has a direct effect on them. I think I saw Mr Hsu, Osama, and Hillery coming out of a Kinkos/laundry mat in Boston last week…..they were carrying big bags…..wonder what was in them.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:23 pmComment by Mr P — September 8, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
The TWOOoOOoOOOoOOOoOOOooooFFFFFFFFFF
Is that OSAMA is a Ray Gunite!
And that you have a male muslim blow up doll stashed away under your pee soaked mattress.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:24 pmActually, my sources tell me that UBL gets all daily videos and transcripts of Olbermahn’s Hour of Spin and it’s obvious by what is in his latest video! And I understand Keithy will be vacationing with UBL in the caves soon.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmWhat’s scary is that many on the right, apparently including David Brooks, actually believe that “the Left†is somehow supportive of, or in cahoots with…-Jim
Naw they don’t believe that, they just like to make up idiotic projectionist hor plop and feed it to their dupes like Mr P that will repeat anything. Even Mr P knows that Osama is not a lefty, ust tthe same lame minitsry attack manure they been shoveling for a decade
Its so LAMammamamamaaa Lame.
and thats the Twoooffff.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:27 pmActually, my sources tell me that UBL gets all his info from Reich Wanger AM talk radio as that long haired maggot infested plastic banana FM dont reach to Iran
September 8th, 2007 at 2:30 pm…I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001],” (R) GOP Dennis Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette,
This is where Osama gets his ideas, from wacko righties,like Mr P, that want America to be attacked!!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:33 pmconsidering the consistent lies and criminality of this administration, brooks’ comment shows he is incredibly politically naive… or a tool, not a journalist.
OBL seems to get his talking points from Limbaugh, and his appearances are all timed to help pass dubious laws or extensions of.
now, who benefits from OBL’s videos?
oh, the Independent (UK) talks about OBL’s most-likely fake beard. Considering Craig et al, I burst out laughing when I read that. OBL as the GOP’s “beard.”
September 8th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“Comment by toasterhead — September 8, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
Muslim.
Comment by Mr P — September 8, 2007 @ 2:30 pm”
Pinhead.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmI love Muslims.
Comment by Mr P Muslim Lover— September 8, 2007
Yeh, its why you want to free them and bought the welafre state of Iraq
YOU Canot lie to Meester Big! [Limbaugh Russian Accent]
September 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmOh sure, we all believe that Republicans want the U.S. to be attacked, Rasheed!!! Tell me…what are you smoking today? Must be pretty strong stuff!!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:35 pmHey ” fauxreal”:
Are you for real?? You must be related to my fine Arab brotha Rasheed! OBL (UBL??) definitely agrees with the Maharishi Rush. We all believe that one too!
Phew!! Too much weed or something!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmOh sure, we all know Republicans want the U.S. to be attacked!!
Comment by John Kerry — September 8, 2007
The question is what is (R-GOP) Dennis Milligan smoking!!!
The fact is folks,[Rattles Twinkie package] we gotta get these Hate Americ Fristers outta office!! We cant have these elected Repignicans letting Osama know we want to be attacked!! [Pops pilll] Why, its Un-American, and UnPatriotic to go to Cuber! You see folks,I was drunk when I booked that flight to Cuber! [pops pill] And was under medication for my pilonidal cyst!!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:41 pmOh my God, I agree with Lush baby!! If we can get the Hate America Libs out of office then we might be able to win this war.
Send me your address and I will buy you a ONE WAY ticket to Cuber or Iran or to the Osama Obama caves or whatever wacko lib country you want to go. Seriously!!!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAre you for real?? You must be related to my fine Arab brotha Rasheed! -John Kerry Konservor [JK BWAH!]
Why Arabs aint Muslims! Righhhhhttt Mr P? We is Osama Milligans
[Mr P thinks Osama is an Arab, not Muslim [Bwahhh!!]
September 8th, 2007 at 2:44 pmOh my God, I agree with Lush baby!! If we can get the Hate America (R) GOPs First!! Like Mulligan, we migh be able to end this Dickey Doo Quagmire -CooCoo Cloud Land comment by J.K. Konservor.
I concur, now pass me one of them cuber cigars (R) Mr P. Milligan America hater!
September 8th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWhat was really comical was how the liberal media hyped up the imminent release of the tape with a couple of days of hype before the fact.
When it’s so well orchestrated and when the timing is oh, so perfect, someone did too good of a job. A job that has CON written all over it.
We have to remember that we all live in a fact-insulated bubble. We are told what they want to tell us and at a time of their choosing. When you are told that the Chinese government hacked into the Pentagon computers, you have to ask yourself WHY are they telling us this? Could it have something to do with the fact that the Chinese are not buying our debt at the same pace as they used to until three weeks ago? Could it have something to do with the fact that China recently signed a treaty of cooperation with Iran who supplies a lot of their oil and who we want to destroy because it won the “war” in Iraq?
This is America. Nothing is what it appears to be.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:49 pmThink Progress is bin laden’s b*tch.
It says something about the people on this site. You have the same talking points as the 9/11 mastermind. You people are traitors and should be executed for treason.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“Those who possess real power and influence are the ones who have the biggest capital. And since the Democratic regime allows the major corporations to support candidates, be they presidential or congressional, then there should be no need for astonishment at the Democrats’ failure to stop the war. You are the ones who say ‘money talks’ “.
This excerpt from Osama’s latest is not substantial different from what George Carlin has to say.
Michael Scheuer, author of Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror has the greater war in proper context. It is our policies that drive the hate. And whether we like it or not, the multinationals are driving policy.
In the process of our soul searching I hope that we are going to come to terms with some necessary revisions to our representational democracy. 535 individuals representing all of us has become absurd. We need to enlarge Congress several fold and institute some form of candidate subsidies that would allow actual progressives to term and get elected.
But it is clear more now than ever that we are owned; bought and paid for; and yet sold out at the same time. It’s just easier to hear it from George.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:53 pm“I want to know the twoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof!!!”
Sure. Glad to help.
You’re an idiot.
There. You are welcome.
September 8th, 2007 at 2:56 pm[...]
asking ourselves, and wondering how we let ourselves go this far without common sense and good judgement.
Comment by Zanubiyah — September 8, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
i can’t answer that “how”… only you can…
September 8th, 2007 at 2:59 pmbut i’ll say that you’ve reached and crossed a major hurdle by
admitting the problem…
and it sounds like you’ve got most of it figured out, by the sound of the early parts of your comment…
congratulations, with all sincerity, and thanks…
now convince your friends too!
…
Quote: “one of these childish people posting rants at the bottom of the page.â€
Um, as opposed to those “grown ups” who got the US into an unwinable war that has killed a million innocent people, because of their fantasies of being worshiped as heroes?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:00 pmExactly what would the death of UBL bring ? His martyr status of course. But, unlike the possibility that the death of Hilter would have brought a quick end to WWII, the death of UBL would do almost nothing, except a brief satisfaction in the West that we can terminate anybody of interest. His martyr status would insure that he would live on .. in a form that couldn’t be killed.
Rather watching his now comical fake beard, as Allah (praise be him) makes a mockery of his overzealous militant servant, serves a much better goal.
When UBL learns humility, Allah (praise be him) will bring him home.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pmdon’t let the bush supporters spin the osama story their way. they don’t want the sheeple to know that he was the one responsible for 9/11 and is still at large due to the chimp’s incompetence and/or help. they really have the gall to say osama is like me when in fact those asshales are the ones why he is still running around free six years later. and don’t let the chimp’s apologists say “it’s hard to find just one man…” because they found saddam easily enough. where is the outrage from our elected democrats?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pmExactly right.
Comment by Mr P — September 8, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
Oh Pee Stain, you’re such a pathetic little paranoid insane LOSER!!! Time to change your DIAPERS!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI want to know the twoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof!!!
I want to know the twoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof!!!!!!!
I WANT TO KNOW THE TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mr P — September 8, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Osama drops real bombs, you thread bomb, how predictable!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:30 pm“Exactly right.
Comment by Mr P — September 8, 2007 @ 3:02 pm”
Aaah, defending Stalin-style pogroms … in Liberty’s name. Yeeehawwww!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:30 pmSo “Whack Off to Hillary” # 104
How come your Neocon heroes haven’t come close to capturing OBL? Who exactly is the F-up here??
The rightful administration of Gore would have caught/killed him by the 3 month anniversary of 9/11. All the while your heroes would be criticizing him like they did Clinton for shooting tomahawks at OBL earlier on. Your party is the party of propaganda, puffed-out chests, and non-military serving, servile robots.
Hell, Gore would have listened to the warnings and prevented 9/11 from happening in the first place.
You guys can’t even criticize you own leader for F-ing up so badly. I can, why can’t you? Is GW like Jesus to you?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:38 pmI want to know the twooooooooooooooooooof
I want to know the twooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof
I WANT TO KNOW THE TWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
Comment by Mr P — September 8, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Ah, poor little Pee Stain has NO SELF CONTROL, and is Bin Ladening the blog with his TEXT BOMBING! Poor Little Terrorist! Wah, Wah, whine, baby WHINE!!!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:40 pmAaah, defending Stalin-style pogroms … in Liberty’s name. Yeeehawwww!
Comment by Bernard Quatermass — September 8, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
You mean like defending the GOP politicians caught with DC Madams, with DUIs, with Adultery, with Corruption, with bathroom gay sex (ok, you canned him because HOMOPHOBIA is the GREATEST OF GOP VALUES)!!! Yeah, there’s NOTHING stalin like about you – oh wait, you want a TOTALITARIAN STATE!! How STALIN OF YOU WINGNUT!!! Stupid Hypocrite!
September 8th, 2007 at 3:42 pmRight on # 113!!
It’s hard to keep track of their scandals and issues that stem from hatred and suppression. What are we at now?
September 8th, 2007 at 3:50 pmScandal # 100,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000?
I think the guys whining the loudest are the ones who realize Osama appeared more statesman-like and erudite than Bush ever could.
It was only after reading this speech that they realized they were pledging their loyalty to a monkey.
September 8th, 2007 at 3:56 pmIt was only after reading this speech that they realized they were pledging their loyalty to a monkey.
Comment by abraham — September 8, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
September 8th, 2007 at 4:12 pm——————-
I get your drift but isn’t that just a tad insulting to real monkeys everywhere?
Here’s a tyrant who sounds just like the GOP:
September 8th, 2007 at 4:37 pm
It’s hard to keep track of their scandals and issues that stem from hatred and suppression. What are we at now?
Scandal # 100,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000?
Comment by Neeko — September 8, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Of course, not one of them has reached the high altitudes of ClyntOOn who lied ON TV UNDER OATH violating his constitutional oath to protect the Constitution of the USA.
That remains the most hilarious stupid act in American history, only rendered funnier by the attempt of lunatics to say lying under oath is okay, since it’s about sex. That would be called “special pleading,” if oafs like Neeko-jerk knew what that was. Perjury is also a felony, to those who are not scofflaws, i.e. Dhimmi-crats.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:38 pmBin Laden has been ranting against western liberal secular democracy – in those exact words. Yes, Bin Laden does sound like a blogger. David Brooks needs to check his notes to determine which side.
Does Brooks truly believe Bin Laden’s view represents progressive politics?
September 8th, 2007 at 4:43 pmYet more specious nonsense from this amorphous blowhard. Brooks has been nothing if not consistently wrong about everything relating to this utterly unnecesary disaster; why would anyone grant him a shred of credibility with that sorry-ass track record?
The desperation emanating from the Right is like spoor from a carcass; it stinks like Hell.
September 8th, 2007 at 4:43 pmWe need to enlarge Congress several fold and institute some form of candidate subsidies that would allow actual progressives to term and get elected.
Sachem, do you mean “run?”
September 8th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI really reely do enjoy rambling w/o purpose. It’s fun.
September 8th, 2007 at 5:06 pm“daveinboc”a writes stuff
…but the end result is just more feces on the floor.
Bin reads Chomsky, which means he’s ahead of at least 30% of the US
“Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven’t made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there.”
Go Bin! Tell it how it is!
In any case the US will do your work for you and get Iran next. N8!
September 8th, 2007 at 5:48 pmThe only reason Brooks is on a rampage against Blogs is that he feels threatened by people that are actually paying attention to what’s happening in this country.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:14 pmDavid Brooks is a pathetic, whining jerk who is upset at getting called on his brazen intellectual dishonesty.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:19 pmOf course, not one of them has reached the high altitudes of ClyntOOn who lied ON TV UNDER OATH violating his constitutional oath to protect the Constitution of the USA.
That remains the most hilarious stupid act in American history, only rendered funnier by the attempt of lunatics to say lying under oath is okay, since it’s about sex.
Comment by daveinboca
Reagan’s “we never deal with terrorists” on national tv easily tops that. But Dave must have been a little child when his hero sold weapons to the same terrorists who were holding Americans hostage, and his home-schooling didn’t cover recent history, so his ignorance is to be expected.
September 8th, 2007 at 6:25 pmThe only reason Brooks is on a rampage against Blogs is that he feels threatened by people that are actually paying attention to what’s happening in this country.
Comment by Hawkeye — September 8, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
No it isn’t. He’s just pointing out the fact that osama’s message could have been taken directly from prog comments here. When I heard it, I wondered if some lefty had made it as a joke to get the prog message more air time. Guess that isn’t the case. Osama is a prog. Who’d a thought! ;)
September 8th, 2007 at 6:54 pmThe desperation emanating from the Right is like spoor from a carcass; it stinks like Hell.
Comment by pjr — September 8, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
I don’t know about that, but I do know osama’s message is the prog message. Too bad he didn’t mention Ward Churchill, too. ;)
September 8th, 2007 at 6:58 pmDoes Brooks truly believe Bin Laden’s view represents progressive politics?
Comment by John Jay — September 8, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Check the pages of TP, bud. Osama’s message could have been lifted directly from prog posts here. The only difference would be that he actually admitted that he thinks democracy is a failure. Progs would never admit that. So osama is like a prog without the pretense. ;)
September 8th, 2007 at 7:06 pm“Check the pages of TP, bud. Osama’s message could have been lifted directly from prog posts here. ”
More baloney from uptight right.
Post some examples. Or is that too technologically difficult?
September 8th, 2007 at 7:15 pm“I don’t know about that, but I do know osama’s message is the prog message. Too bad he didn’t mention Ward Churchill, too.”
Comment by upright left
Ward Churchill is your boogey-man. Nothing demonstrates an inability to think independently like spouting old, uselesss rhetoric.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:22 pm> Does Brooks truly believe Bin Laden’s
> view represents progressive politics?
I read the transcript.. funny how he rails against taxes and holds up the greatness of the fact islam has no taxes…… yet that doesnt get mentioned in the media as something he rails against…only left wing talking points get mentioned…since osama mentioned disliking taxes, do you trolls like high taxes now? hahahaha…
September 8th, 2007 at 7:23 pmThe best friends Osama bin Laden has in the United States are the right-wingers, especially the right-wingers in the Bush administration with their imperialistic oil designs on the Middle East.
This latest tape sounds to me like Republican-baiting on the part of bin Laden, throwing the right-wingers some red meat, which the right-wingers will use (or so bin Laden hopes) to bash progressive liberals, or anyone trying to stop the right-wing’s wars of aggression in the Middle East, wars that are a great al Qaeda recruiting tool.
If BushCo had kept focused on al Qaeda in Afghanistan (and western Pakistan) after 9/11, then al Qaeda would not have had the opportunity to expand it’s influence, just as Iran would have remained contained.
By attacking Iraq in 2003, BushCo expanded the Middle East war front into a totally unnecessary and insane two-front war, opening the door (in Iraq) to Iranian and al Qaedian expansionism.
Thus, it is obvious that Osama bin Laden is “playing” the right-wing nutjobs, stirring up not only their warmongering in this latest tape but giving them tools to attack progressive liberals.
Because, you see, the real threat to the evil designs of Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda comes from progressive liberals, while the right-wing nutjobs keep playing into the hands of bin Laden and the al Qaeda…especially if Bush and Cheney actually drop any bombs on Iran.
Who shifted the post-9/11 focus from capturing or killing Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to starting a war in Iraq? Right-wing nutjobs.
Who deposed a dictator, Saddam Hussein in Iraq, who was a hated, secular adversary of Osama bin Laden’s, a secular dictator who actually stood in the way of bin Laden’s insane dream of a sharia-ruled world? Right-wing nutjobs.
So, of course, Osama bin Laden will give all the nutty right-wingers all the ammunition they need to continue their warmongering, imperialistic ways. Hey, it’s worked so well for bin Laden up to now.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pmUpright cleft, do you support high taxes since Osama is against them?
September 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pm>So osama is like a prog without the pretense.
Complaining about high taxes is a lefty talking point?
September 8th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThis from proggsters, for whom the chief effect of 9/11 was to provide them with new invective for conservatives: “the Taliban wing of the Republican Party”; “the real terrorists”, etc. If we ever take OBL alive and put him away in a supermax prison, he’ll be giving commencement addresses by transcript at proggy universities all over the country–just like Mumia.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI mean, what’s so wrong about questioning your patriotism, given that your favorite pastime is questioning our basic humanity?
September 8th, 2007 at 7:36 pmBrooks wasn’t alone with this kind of analysis. CNN justice correspondent Kelli Arena, on the network’s Situation Room, Friday, 2007-Sep-07:
September 8th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf
on page 2 he rails against hollywood- a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
on page 5 he complains about “insane taxes”– a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
on page 6 he criticizes the russians.- a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
on page 7 he boasts there are virtually no taxes in Islam, only a small FLAT RATE tax! – a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
one more question upright cleft… if you learned Osama was against abortion, would you support it?
September 8th, 2007 at 7:48 pm“I mean, what’s so wrong about questioning your patriotism, given that your favorite pastime is questioning our basic humanity?”
Comment by The Sanity Inspector
Questioning one’s government isn’t unpatriotic. But questioning a republican’s basic humanity isn’t out of bounds, given how much you guys talk of “the sanctity of life,” while discounting all the dead caused by your geo-political experiments.
Perhaps you should recalibrate your hypocrisy sensors.
September 8th, 2007 at 7:50 pmMethinks the leftos doth protest too much. But then again, think of the brain power evinced by that Olberman in comparing Obama to Hannity! Hardy har! That is the “depth” of the intelligence of EVERY poster and/or reader of these crap progblogs. It’s much like debating a small, small child: When they grow confused by your talking they just reach into their diapers and show you their poop…
September 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pmThink how much you have to hate the idea of innocence and free will to equate unborn fetuses with terrorists. A devout humanitarian would want to preserve the lives of both. A practical utilitarian could see his way clear to eliminating both of them. But it must take years of exposure to the soft sciences to arrive at the liberal viewpoint.
What liberals think of as their patriotism is all too often just garden-variety self-congratulation. You’re the lonely voice of reason in a land of mindless pod-people? You’d have been bones in a Virginia forest long ago, if that were true.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:02 pm>Methinks the leftos doth protest too much.
Hardy, Anitus Inspector, any of you trolls feel free to answer the below questions…
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/ i/ msnbc/ sections/ news/ 070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf
on page 2 he rails against hollywood- a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
on page 5 he complains about “insane taxesâ€â€“ a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
on page 6 he criticizes the russians.- a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
on page 7 he boasts there are virtually no taxes in Islam, only a small FLAT RATE tax! – a left wing talking point, right upright cleft?
one more question upright cleft… if you learned Osama was against abortion, would you support it?
September 8th, 2007 at 8:02 pm>Think how much you have to hate the idea
>of innocence and free will to equate unborn
> fetuses with terrorists.
So lets say Bin LAden is anti-abortion, you and he agree on something, is that what you’re saying?
Yes or no?
September 8th, 2007 at 8:04 pmOsama does sound like a liberal blogger.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:07 pmYes or no?
Not til you tell the court if you’ve stopped beating your wife yet.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:09 pm>Osama does sound like a liberal blogger.
Any answer to my questions troll?
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/ i/ msnbc/ sections/ news/ 070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf
on page 2 he rails against hollywood- a left wing talking point, correct?
on page 5 he complains about “insane taxesâ€â€“ a left wing talking point, correct?
on page 6 he criticizes the russians.- a left wing talking point, correct?
on page 7 he boasts there are virtually no taxes in Islam, only a small FLAT RATE tax! – a left wing talking point, correct?
one more question righttard trolls… if you learned Osama was against abortion, would you support it?
September 8th, 2007 at 8:11 pm>Not til you tell the court if you’ve stopped beating your wife yet.
i dont have a wife i think the concept of marriage is stupid. whats your answer to my question troll?
what you asked is a compound question. it makes the assumption you have a wife and you beat your wife.
you’re no lawyer, so stop with the fallacious objection.
my question makes no assumptions. eitther osama is anti-abortion or hes not. either you are anti abortion or you’re not.
if both he and you are anti-abortion, then you’re admitting you agree with osama about something.
if your pro-choice, then i guess the question is moot.
are you pro choice?
September 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pmhttp://www.jamaat.org/qa/abort.html
“On the issue of euthanasia, Islamic position is that since a human being does not owns and masters his/her life, therefore, he can NOT decide and ask for death. ”
Islam and by extension Bin Laden is anti-euthanasia, so it logically follows that all the rightard trolls here are pro-euthansia, right?
September 8th, 2007 at 8:17 pmAny point of agreement in your clever little list is far overshadowed by the spectacle of Osama imitating proggs: pretending to advise and improve America, while not-so-secretly hating her to the core. The great lesson of 9/11 was that there is nothing, literally nothing, that can induce proggs to float down from their higher moral plane and take their country’s part in a time of peril. For progressives, especially of the intellectual bent, “ideas are the only homeland”. At least OBL doesn’t bite the hand that feeds him, or soil the home that shelters him.
September 8th, 2007 at 8:19 pmhttp://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543150
“While Islam permits preventing pregnancy for valid reasons, it does not allow doing violence to it once it occurs.
Muslim jurists have agreed unanimously that after the fetus is completely formed and has been given a soul, abortion is haram. It is also a crime, the commission of which is prohibited to the Muslim because it constitutes an offense against a complete, living human being. Jurists insist that the payment of blood money (diya) becomes incumbent if the baby is aborted alive and then died, while a fine of lesser amount is to be paid if it is aborted dead. “
September 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pmNOW THAT NORMAN HSU IS UNDER ARREST, PERHAPS OSAMA BIN LADEN MAY WANT TO BANKROLL PIAPS’ CAMPAIGN!!!!!!
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DEMLIB = TERRORIST = DEMLIB!!!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2007 at 8:26 pm>Any point of agreement in your clever little list is far overshadowed
> by the spectacle of Osama imitating proggs:
thanks for not answering the question hermaphdite herpe trolll. osama is a religious fundamentalist… not sure but if i recall, its not the left thats infested with relgious nuts in this country, is it?
bashing hollywood, bashing russians, bashing taxes. sounds like Osama is doing a darn good job of immitating a rightwing nutjob
> pretending to advise and improve America,
> while not-so-secretly hating her to the core.
so now your a mind reader, deftly reading the mind of the liberal collective conscious???? hahahaha. how did that go reading the mind of saddam in 80’s? how did that going in reading the mind of the shia populace we liberated from saddam thats now, by admission of our own military, responsible for 70 percent of the attacks against us?
hahahah. you make excuses for the fact that Osamas got alot more in common with you than with us….. do you think if Gore took us to Iraq, Osama would be keeping his mouth about it shut.. hes railing against people in power, doesnt matter the party..
September 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmIf Osama espouses the virtues of whiping your @ss after every sh1t, your rightwing fu3ktards would give up toilet paper…
Please, please, just come out and admit it.. you and Osama agree on some things….right? I’ll admit Osama agrees with some left wing ideas, if you admit Osama agrees with some right wing ideas..
September 8th, 2007 at 8:31 pm>R O T F L M A O ! ! ! ! !
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>DEMLIB = TERRORIST = DEMLIB!!!!!!!!!
BRILLIANT!
FETUS-HUGGER = OSAMA = RIGHTARD!!!!
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call us back when you;ve hit puberty nutjob
September 8th, 2007 at 8:41 pmRight on Matt — I heard the podcast of this and was like what???
September 8th, 2007 at 8:42 pm>Muslim jurists have agreed unanimously that
> after the fetus is completely formed and
>has been given a soul, abortion is haram
Oh, and for morons out there like Bigfoot, its HarAm (forbidden)..not
HarEm (sexy and hott)….
Government Accountability…. Government Accounting…. whats the difference?
Iran ? Iraq? What the difference.. kill em all and let got spell them right…
September 8th, 2007 at 8:45 pmif you admit Osama agrees with some right wing ideas..
IGNORANT LIBTARD,
YOU AND OBL SHARE ONE THING IN COMMON:
YOU ARE BOTH TWISTED WITH HATE!!!!!
HATE!!!!! HATE!!!!! HATE!!!!!
AMERICA-HATE, AMERICA’S-GREATEST-PRESIDENT-HATE, CHENEY-HATE, FLAG-HATE, TROOPS-HATE, VALUES-HATE,ROBERT-NOVAK-HATE, JOHN-HAGEE-HATE, RUMSFELD-HATE, CONDOLEEZZA-HATE, PATRIOT-ACT-HATE, MCCAIN-HATE, FREEDOM-AGENDA-HATE, GOP-HATE, FAIR-AND-BALANCED-REPORTING-HATE, FOX-NEWS-HATE, COULTER-HATE, GLENN-BECK-HATE, BASEBALL-HATE, JOYCE-MEYER-MINISTRIES-HATE, TED-NUGENT-HATE, MALKIN-HATE, PERSONAL-RESPONSIBILITY-HATE, LIBERTY-BELL-HATE, FAITH-HATE, JOHN-GIBSON-HATE, HETEROSEXUAL-MARRIAGE-HATE, O’REILLY-HATE, HANNITY-HATE, HAL-LINDSAY-HATE, TRUTH-HATE, FACTS-HATE, FAMILY-VALUES-HATE, FAITH-HATE, R.W.SCHAMBACH-HATE, ISRAEL-HATE, TROOPS-HATE, KJV-HATE, WILLIAM-KRISTOL-HATE, AND HUMANITY-HATE!!!!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:05 pm“Ward Churchill is your boogey-man. Nothing demonstrates an inability to think independently like spouting old, uselesss rhetoric.
Comment by barfly — September 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm”
Actually, Ward demonstrates the sort of benchmark libtard academicide victims strive for—a little fake CV, a little plagiarism, a little bogus “scholarfakery” and you’ve got tenure! Noam Chomsky probably took the same route, but he’s already done his damage. S***canning Ward made me almost as happy as waking up every day in Florida—the state that saved the nation from people like those who populate [or perhaps infest?] this thread.
I think, barfly, you either fell off your stool or you are sitting in it!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:07 pmThink how much you have to hate the idea of innocence and free will to equate unborn fetuses with terrorists.
i don’t even want to point out the source…
just have to ask:
September 8th, 2007 at 9:30 pmwhat king of SICK mind comes up with something like that?
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I can only conclude from that tape that we must have captured Bin Laden and he is in a safe house somewhere. If that translation is correct, it is obvious Karl Rove spent his first week in retirement writing up the speech for Bin Laden. Another CIA or Pentagon psy-ops production.
Linking OBL to Democrats and in opposition to the war and capitalism is genious. Capitalism+ War+ Republicans against the Democrats + Terrorism. It’s Orwellian truth speak.
But even if you do not buy this, even the stupidest person should not fail to see that the obvious consequences of putting out this tape at this time provides support to Republicans and their War in Iraq. Therefore, Bin Laden is obviously supporting the Republicans by speaking out against the War and Bush policies and a continuation of the War in Iraq. A vote for Republicans and support for the War in Iraq therefore makes you an ally of Bin Laden since they both want the same thing, for us to continue our War in Iraq.
Logically then, Bin Laden and Bush/Republicans are simply allies in the continuation of the War on Terror. It’s good for terrorists, and it’s good for capitalists. You can not have war without an Enemy, and you can not make enough weapons to earn enough profit without using them in War.
Terrorists=Enemy=War=Profit. Those who are against War are against Profit for the Military-Industrial-Media-Intelligence Complex (MIMIC).
On the political side, the war can be said to be between Democrats on the one hand and an alliance of Republicans, Capitalists, Terrorists (Bin Laden/AQ). But wait, most of the Democrats are bought by the Capitalists and support a long term presence in Iraq, and those members of AIPAC support doing Iran too. So whats left. Us! This is actually a war against the Working Class.
Capitalists, Terrorists, Democrats, Republicans all working together to spend our money on Wars and get rich while they ship our jobs to China and allow illegals to come into our country to keep wages low. If the masses wake up, well they just passed a bunch of laws and issued a bunch of Executive orders which allow them to handle that just fine.
Good night.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:35 pmIf you’re reading this Osama, eat me!
September 8th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWow, these guys (PBS and NYT) are really, truly afraid of the power of blogs. No more news from TV, mass market newspaper. They’re going down, and they know it. Keep posting till it hurts. The internet is a revolution.
September 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pmwow, a real spam sandwich from the “hate is patriotic” crowd.
I have to laugh at the ones who say those who disagree with busch should be hung for treason. hmmmm… who committed high crimes by lying to congress and the american people about Iraq? Who committed a war crime by a war of aggression against a nation that had NO power to hurt the U.S.?
oh I forgot, republicans only care about who is getting a blow job. Foley, Craig, Haggerty, McCain campaign guy, Jeff Gannon (and someone, it seems, who could keep him overnight in the W.H…) …oh yeah, I forgot, anything is okay as long as republicans do it.
Teddy Roosevelt had your number, you fascists in fake republican clothing. He stated dissent is essential for a democracy. But it seems like you’re more interested in totalitarianism, at least by the way you spew shit on blogs.
September 8th, 2007 at 11:08 pmDavid Brooks…
…like his right wing con’ned/neocon’nedselfservative faux-Christian and AIPAC contemporaries…
…is fighting…
…political, ideological, and physical…
…EXTINCTION…
September 8th, 2007 at 11:59 pmIf the shoe fits, wear it. If you cut out the Islamic stuff, Bin Laden would make a good vice presidential candidate for the Dems.
September 9th, 2007 at 12:14 amPerhaps, if the GOP pays him well enough, Osama can sweep a kiss to the democratic candidates. Then he can wave a Greenpeace flag and plaster an HRC sticker on his beard. Yup. Plainly a gay eco-terrorist. Probably a Dem.
September 9th, 2007 at 12:23 amJose Dung…
…still feeding at the trough…
…no worries mate…
…you’ll walk upright someday…
…or not…
September 9th, 2007 at 12:53 amPost some examples. Or is that too technologically difficult?
Comment by barfly — September 8, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Sure I could fly, but since we are all well aware of what the similarities are, that is totally unnecessary. It would almost appear that you are asking me to go to the trouble to post it just so you will have control of the exchange here. But, I’m sure that’s the furthest thing from your mind. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 1:56 amWard Churchill is your boogey-man. Nothing demonstrates an inability to think independently like spouting old, uselesss rhetoric.
Comment by barfly — September 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Not sure whether he is a boogeyman, or not. He is, however, a prog who thinks the people killed on 9/11 deserved what they got. That’s one of your guys. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:00 amsince osama mentioned disliking taxes, do you trolls like high taxes now? hahahaha…
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 8, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Choco! (Still getting used to the name change.) Nope, I still prefer lower taxes. I fully acknowledge the areas in which conservatives agree with osama; disapproval of unnecessary taxes, drug and alcohol use, adultery, homosexuality. But it’s important for progs to now admit their similarities with osama in light of his latest message, since it is practically the same message you progs espouse here everyday. C’mon, own up to it. You’ll feel better for it. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:07 amThis latest tape sounds to me like Republican-baiting on the part of bin Laden, throwing the right-wingers some red meat, which the right-wingers will use (or so bin Laden hopes) to bash progressive liberals, or anyone trying to stop the right-wing’s wars of aggression in the Middle East, wars that are a great al Qaeda recruiting tool.
Comment by The Oracle — September 8, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Nope, just osama speaking his mind. He just happens to be of the same mind as progs. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:10 amBrooks wasn’t alone with this kind of analysis.
Comment by Dan — September 8, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
No, Brooks wasn’t alone. In fact, you’ll find that every honest person in the country has exactly the same analysis. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:14 am“on page 2 he rails against hollywood- a left wing talking point, right?”
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 8, 2007 @
And yet he shares the same point of view as most hollywood actors. Oh, the irony! ;)
“one more question upright cleft… if you learned Osama was against abortion, would you support it?”
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 8, 2007 @
Nope, choco, unlike you, my positions don’t change to suit the discussion. Wrong is wrong no matter who is in favor of it. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:18 amWasn’t the OBL video before the 2004 elections purported to give a boost to Bush?
Yes, Bin Laden’s rant was sophmoric and non-linear to an educated westerner but that’s no reason not to take him seriously. The Republican line is that he’s irrelevant – an excuse for the war in Iraq. But a tape like OBL’s latest surely rallies Al Qaeda and as Reuters reports, could be a signal for attacks.
Connski
September 9th, 2007 at 2:23 amIf the shoe fits, wear it. If you cut out the Islamic stuff, Bin Laden would make a good vice presidential candidate for the Dems.
Comment by Jose Chung — September 9, 2007 @ 12:14 am
BAHHAHA, SURE HE WOULD!!! If you also ignore that he hates women, gays, and secularism – JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE GOP!!! Why do the GOP HATE THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS FRIENDS SO MUCH?
September 9th, 2007 at 2:31 amNope, choco, unlike you, my positions don’t change to suit the discussion. Wrong is wrong no matter who is in favor of it. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:18 am
No, but the ‘facts’ you FABRICATE do change to suit the discussion, LIAR BOY ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:32 amNope, just osama speaking his mind. He just happens to be of the same mind as progs. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:10 am\
What, hating liberalism, gays, communists, womens rights and secularism? Oh, wait, NOPE, those are GOP values ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:33 amIslam and by extension Bin Laden is anti-euthanasia, so it logically follows that all the rightard trolls here are pro-euthansia, right?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus — September 8, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Choco, the subject of this thread is osama’s message and how it is so very close to your views. But, hey, we can discuss. Especially since you have a problem acknowledging your fellow prog. You got me on another similarity to him: anti-suicide and murder. There’s that pesky pro-life thing again, eh? Oddly enough, your similarities to osama have more to do with your (and his) hatred of the U.S. and democracy. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:36 amChoco, the subject of this thread is osama’s message and how it is so very close to your views. But, hey, we can discuss. Especially since you have a problem acknowledging your fellow prog. You got me on another similarity to him: anti-suicide and murder. There’s that pesky pro-life thing again, eh? Oddly enough, your similarities to osama have more to do with your (and his) hatred of the U.S. and democracy. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:36 am
Yeah, the pesky religious extremist that hates gay rights, womens rights, abortion, and who’s a wealthy capitalist that uses religion to teach hatred – yeah, that sounds NOTHING like the pesky GOP VALUES – oh wait, they’re IDENTICAL!! No wonder Bush is such a big supporter of Bin Laden he won’t capture him ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:41 amNo, but the ‘facts’ you FABRICATE do change to suit the discussion, LIAR BOY ;)
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 2:32 am
Dang, retard, you regressed back from stupid. Oh well. Retard, you really can’t dispute the fact that osama’s message is the same as yours. It really sucks for you that he chose to put his views right out there so that everyone now has proof positive that progs agree with him about the U.S. and democracy. But you only look foolish when you try to deny the obvious, bud. Just trying to help ya out. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:41 amOddly enough, your similarities to osama have more to do with your (and his) hatred of the U.S. and democracy. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:36 am
Oddly enough, his views sound exactly like Newt’s ‘Permanent GOP Majority based on Religion’ rhetoric of the 1990s and the SHARED HATRED you (the Christian/Jewish Fascists) and your fellow Islamic Fascists have in common ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:43 amDang, retard, you regressed back from stupid. Oh well. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:41 am
Posting comments to yourself again – figures ;)
Retard, you really can’t dispute the fact that osama’s message is the same as yours. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:41 am
What, his message of religious extremism, and anti- secularism preached by a rich fat capitalist – sorry, his message is all yours scum ;)
It really sucks for you that he chose to put his views right out there so that everyone now has proof positive that progs agree with him about the U.S. and democracy. But you only look foolish when you try to deny the obvious, bud. Just trying to help ya out. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:41 am\
Says the anti-democracy single party desire of the fascist Xtians ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:45 amWhy would Osama want to help Liberals upright left, we’d actually CATCH him if we win the election – and he knows that the US hates him, so of course he wants his fellow Conservatives to win so no one will catch him! But I’m sure Osama appreciates you being a USEFUL IDIOT for him ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:49 amUpright Left (Downright Stupid), Osama’s latest willing Harem b!tch ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:49 amBut even if you do not buy this, even the stupidest person should not fail to see that the obvious consequences of putting out this tape at this time provides support to Republicans and their War in Iraq.
Comment by PFT — September 8, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
Nope, people still oppose the war in Iraq. No one opposed the war because they thought osama was for it. This just lets people know how deep the similarities are between progs and osama as far as wanting to move the U.S. away from democracy. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:52 amNope, people still oppose the war in Iraq. No one opposed the war because they thought osama was for it. This just lets people know how deep the similarities are between progs and osama as far as wanting to move the U.S. away from democracy. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:52 am
Nice to see you’re now a spokesperson for what Osama stands for, at least you know your role as his harem b!tch ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:55 amThis just lets people know how deep the similarities are between progs and osama as far as wanting to move the U.S. away from democracy. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:52 am
Says the f*cking GOP wingnuts that want a *permanent* Republican majority based on ‘religious’ laws – just like osama ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:56 amNope, people still oppose the war in Iraq. No one opposed the war because they thought osama was for it. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:52 am
Sure it did, for you – dumbass ;) Anything Osama says he’s for, you say you’re against, like a good little useful idiot ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:57 amUpright Left (Downright Stupid), Osama’s latest willing Harem b!tch ;)
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 2:49 am
Retard, ya really need to put more thought into ways to avoid issues. Name calling when you can’t refute someone’s point is accepted in the school yard, but not in adult exchanges. And resorting to profanity isn’t any better. C’mon, bud, you can do much better than that. Just think about how adults react in these situations and imitate that behavior. You’ll come to terms with the fact that osama is a prog. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 2:58 amRetard, ya really need to put more thought into ways to avoid issues. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Says the wingnut avoiding the issue that Osama is a RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE ;)
Name calling when you can’t refute someone’s point is accepted in the school yard, but not in adult exchanges. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Says the wingnut calling names ;)
And resorting to profanity isn’t any better. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Says the wingnut that believes his ‘abomination’ values aren’t profanity ;)
C’mon, bud, you can do much better than that. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Says the failure, that sadly, CAN’T do ANY better than that ;)
Just think about how adults react in these situations and imitate that behavior.
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Says the child that doesn’t understand adult behavior ;)
You’ll come to terms with the fact that osama is a prog. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 2:58 am
Says the wingnut that can’t come to terms with osama being a fundamentalist religious conservative ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:05 amNice to see you’re now a spokesperson for what Osama stands for, at least you know your role as his harem b!tch ;)
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 2:55 am
I don’t have to be, retard. Remember the message that is the subject of this thread? It’s all right there, bud. No need to speculate any longer. I know you are ticked off that there is finally proof of what conservatves have been saying all along: “Progs have the same complaints about America as osama.” But, things will settle down in a few days. People have short memories. In a few days, the only ones thinking about this will be progs and conservatives who frequent blogs. Who knows, maybe the tape will turn out to be a fake and we’ll go back to not having one easy source to validate prog similarities to osama. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:05 amOh, and downright stupid, your style is called ’snarky’, and while it is NOT adult behavior, one can assume that you learned it from at least one rube childish and boorish trailer trash parent that never grew up ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:07 amSays the wingnut that can’t come to terms with osama being a fundamentalist religious conservative ;)
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
Retard, if you’ll go back and read my responses to anus, I mean choco, you’ll see that I acknowledged that conservatives agree with osama in being opposed to unnecessary taxes, alcohol and drug use, homosexuality, abortion, suicide and murder. My what a list! Why are you unable to acknowledge your similarities with osama, bud?
September 9th, 2007 at 3:10 amYou aren’t ashamed of those postions are ya? ;)
I don’t have to be, retard. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
Yet you ARE a retard ;)
Remember the message that is the subject of this thread? It’s all right there, bud. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
That the wingnuts are trying to spin and subvert Bin Laden’s tape while ignoring that he’s a RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE? Yeah, I DID read the subject, but you didn’t, RETARD ;)
No need to speculate any longer. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
For those of us that CAN READ, that’s true, but for a RETARD like you, NOT SO MUCH ;)
I know you are ticked off that there is finally proof of what conservatves have been saying all along: “Progs have the same complaints about America as osama.†But, things will settle down in a few days. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
Yeah, progs just scream that we aren’t religious enough, JUST LIKE OSAMA’S SPEECH!! ;)
People have short memories. Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
You mean like YOURS, where you forgot Osama was a RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE JUST LIKE YOU ;)
In a few days, the only ones thinking about this will be progs and conservatives who frequent blogs.
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
Yeah, because everyone associates religious conservatives with Dems ;)
Who knows, maybe the tape will turn out to be a fake and we’ll go back to not having one easy source to validate prog similarities to osama. ;)
Comment by upright left — September 9, 2007 @ 3:05 am
Yeah, we all trust EXACTLY what Osama says, since he’s a RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE that calls for MURDERING PEOPLE – JUST LIKE YOU ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:11 amAh, the USEFUL IDIOTS like DOWNRIGHT STUPID, just can’t help Osama ENOUGH!
September 9th, 2007 at 3:11 amSure it did, for you – dumbass ;) Anything Osama says he’s for, you say you’re against, like a good little useful idiot ;)
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 2:57 am
I’m sure you’ll be providing proof of this any time now, retard. I know how you progs don’t believe anything unless it’s accompanied by proof, even commonly accepted things like prog similarity to osama. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:14 amAh, the USEFUL IDIOTS like DOWNRIGHT STUPID, just can’t help Osama ENOUGH!
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 3:11 am
Someone really ticked you off with the “useful idiot” label, eh retard? Ya gotta stop letting people get to ya like that, bud. It’s so hard for anyone to take you seriously when you get all worked up like this. Calm down, buddy, and make some sense. So osama thinks like you, there are worse things in the world to have happen. Well, a few anyway. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:17 amIt’s sad that you can’t accept the reality of what’s happened.
It’s not the first time UBL has used left-wing talking points.
Have you no shame?
September 9th, 2007 at 3:32 amWhen we listen to them talk about it only being propaganda, and there’s “really nothing to worry about” except their wounded egos, I believe Osama Bin Laden sent a signal to start another large-scale attack or a series of coordinated smaller attacks.
They can’t have it both ways; either Al Qaeda has reemerged and is a viable international threat again, or they’re not – Period!
Fox News Spins Bin Laden’s New Video and The War on Terror
September 9th, 2007 at 4:13 amFaux noise is Osama best agent. They’d have him on for an interview if they could. Goebbels would be proud of them.
September 9th, 2007 at 8:56 amFunny how Brooks compares bin Laden’s rants to lefty blogs.
Doesn’t he listen to right wing talk radio???? Talk about childish rants.
September 9th, 2007 at 9:38 amBrooks is not childish and his writings sure kick the heck out of most of these comments on the end of the stories. You should show some respect for once even though im sure the next post will flame me or call me a nazi or just spout obsenities.
September 9th, 2007 at 10:52 am“Sure I could fly, but since we are all well aware of what the similarities are, that is totally unnecessary. It would almost appear that you are asking me to go to the trouble to post it just so you will have control of the exchange here.”
And that’s all you need to know about the intellectual honesty of the far right. They actually try to make a virtue of their inability to back up any of their assertions. I notice that “control of the exchange” is what’s really important here, not whether or not the original argument has any merit. If the facts support your position, “control of the exchange” shouldn’t really be a problem – especially in an interactive mdium in which no one except the moderator truly exercises any “control.” And since he/she hasn’t blocked your posts, it’s clear that even that objection is bogus, one more fig leag to cover the fact that you are either unable to defend your position intellectually or simply too lazy to do so.
September 9th, 2007 at 11:06 amI suspect Osama gets a lot more fodder in the Conservative blogs–they’re so full of tough talk–like pre-teen boys on a playground, plus he can learn a lot more words that just aren’t in any dictionary. I don’t mean just mispelled but legitimate words, but words one might hear at a bar fight or dogfight. I know our foreign policy shows a certain lack of, shall we say, intellect, and out president barely breaks a hundred on a good day, Osama might get a chuckle out of some of the weido comments I read from that end of the spectrum. I know I do.
September 9th, 2007 at 11:50 amOsama Bin Laden was employed by the CIA, like Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and a host of others who have become and will in the future become a “terrorist” when it’s convenient for them to become a “terrorist” in the eyes of the US Government; and there is no reason to doubt Osama is still employed by the CIA.
September 9th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWhere does David Brooks find the time to do political commentary when he allegedly spends so much of his time with his panties around his ankles in the public toilets at Herald Square?
September 9th, 2007 at 1:03 pmI’ll say it again. Bin Laden wants Republicans to “lead” because they do such a bad job of trying to kill him.
If Gore had taken his rightful place as President, Osama would have been killed years ago.
So neocons equal Jesus to you robots eh? How about you fast until your version of reality becomes true? You and the Islamic fundamentalists have so much in common.
September 9th, 2007 at 1:17 pmWell I certainly hope is quoting form “lefty blogs”.
I have not been sending him my updates for three years for nothing.
September 9th, 2007 at 1:34 pmHe does sound like a “lefty,” but that doesn’t mean that “lefties” have to take his side. Hitler was an ardent anti-Communist, but that doesn’t mean that Truman’s and Reagan’s anti-Communist beliefs were wrong. The man clearly sees that many people are angry with Bush and thinks he can get them to his side by talking like them. Already people who supported attacking Afghanistan are calling that war a waste and gleefully pointing at every poppy that blossoms in the fields of that recovering failed state. No wonder bin Laden uses their talking points. All you have to do now is to show him that he’s wrong at that you’re civilized first, American second, and Bush-hating somewhere down the line. That you have as much in common with bin Laden as your grandparents did with Hitler, which is to say, almost nothing. I hope.
September 9th, 2007 at 2:48 pmWhy would Osama want to help Liberals upright left,
Comment by michaelIsRetarded — September 9, 2007 @ 2:49 am
You’re really beginning to earn your name, retard. He wants to help you because he’s one of you. That’s the whole point here, bud. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:12 pmFaux noise is Osama best agent. They’d have him on for an interview if they could. Goebbels would be proud of them.
Comment by Bruno Hauptmann — September 9, 2007 @ 8:56 am
And that would really be a problem for those progs trying to deny that osama shares their views about the U.S. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:15 pmDoesn’t he listen to right wing talk radio???? Talk about childish rants.
Comment by starwheel — September 9, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Childish, maybe, but they don’t share osama’s view of America. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWhat makes me angry is the demeaning fashion of Brooks about Chomsky. I mean on one side you have this crazy right winger who is taking advantage of his 20 minutes on Television by spouting off random absurdities without eloquently providing hardly any information behind them.
While someone such as Chomsky who has already told the world of this technique spends so much time and a lot more effort, with his many pages of work (books, blogs, papers,interviews,lectures/talks) to make sure that the whole picture and understanding is brought forth in his presentations.
How dare we allow this to continue happening…news and television has been reduced to worthless chatter degrading who ever is in opposition to the media outlet owners. The Internet still partly has its freedoms thank god…or the propaganda machines would be to much to bare…bloggers are the devil though watch out…we aren’t completely owned (yet). Free yourselves and quit supporting this horse crap we call television
September 9th, 2007 at 3:25 pm” that’s all you need to know about the intellectual honesty of the far right. They actually try to make a virtue of their inability to back up any of their assertions. I notice that “control of the exchange†is what’s really important here, not whether or not the original argument has any merit.”
Well, bud, I could have posted the text of osama’s statement for all the proof we need, but since it is so fresh in everyone’s mind, that’s really unnecessary. Progs don’t need me to show them what they are seeing on the news several times a day already. That’s where the control issue comes in to play. Progs are trying to get conservatives to spend their time finding and posting material instead of bringing progs right back to the point that their message is osama’s message. Of course, you already knew that didn’t ya, jj. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:32 pmWhat makes me angry is the demeaning fashion of Brooks about Chomsky. I mean on one side you have this crazy right winger who is taking advantage of his 20 minutes on Television by spouting off random absurdities without eloquently providing hardly any information behind them.
Comment by Justin Cook — September 9, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
How about the fact that osama’s views agree largely with progs when it comes to the U.S. So if he is wrong in those opinions, so are progs. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 3:37 pmOsama’s message, as it always has been, is the same as the far right’s message: “I believe I’m right because my God told me so, which justifies anything I wish to do. Don’t confuse me with inconvenient facts that might conflict with my worldview.” Even the rambling that Brooks noted echoes the hard core of Bush dead-enders.
In fact, I never asked you to “find and post material;” I asked you to detail what you saw as the similarities between the mesage on the recent bin Laden tape and what you perceive to be a “progressive” message. That requires only having a coherent position and being able to articulate it logically and intelligently. If you consider that a “control issue” then intelligent debate is perhaps not your forte.
September 9th, 2007 at 5:13 pmIf you consider that a “control issue†then intelligent debate is perhaps not your forte.
Comment by jjcomet — September 9, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Your failure to acknowledge what everyone knows is true, that osama’s message contained striking similarities to the arguments posted here by progs, is part of the control issue. We all know his message could have been lifted right from these threads, yet libs insist on asking for proof. I’m not going to post the message for you. If you can read it after I post it here, then you can look it up for yourself and read it. If I refer to something not readily available, I’ll provide a link. Osama apparently shares quite a bit of the prog view of how America should be run. That’s a fact. Sorry if it’s hard for you to take, bud. ;)
September 9th, 2007 at 10:52 pmuprl-
this is a right-wing talking point (about liberals and obl) because you can find just as many issues that OBL supports, or claims to, that could allow someone to say that OBL shares a view with talibornagains, say, about how America should be run.
again, intel has noted (as in the obl video before the 2004 elections) that it is to his benefit to have republicans in power b/c they do not know how to defeat an ideology…because obl offers an ideology. He is not a nation (if he were, we should be bombing SA since 19 of the hijackers came from that bush-friendly nation.)
but you just keep on pushing that shwag talk. most americans want universal health care, do not think gays can be (or need to be) “cured” by quack religious campers. They do not think that America should have socialism for the rich, or war profiteering by the v.p. they do not like that the republicans lied and that Iraq is a disaster.
I suppose my other post is lost in the ether, but just to say that Jesus’ message had more to do with liberal goals than republican ones. And his followers were freaking communists — giving away all they owned, helping the poor– I guess you could say that Jesus and OBL share a lot of the same talking points too.
September 10th, 2007 at 12:38 amFrom all the way back up top.
Just proves one thing: OBL is a hell of a lot more astute than the fools spouting off about him. At least he can recognize the problems in the world even if his solutions may be a little harsh. He doesn’t run around with his head firmly implanted in the bushco rectum as most of the right wing-nut clowns do.
Right on point. Thanks
OBL is astute and his methods a little harsh? Here is one of your own apparently pining for the future OBL administration. There is so much wrong with just this one paragraph. That it went unchallenged says far too much.
Brooks and his fellow conservatives’ attempts at humor
You may laugh, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t humor.
September 10th, 2007 at 9:35 amWhy is it that we Americans allow everything in the world & ourselves to be pigeon holed into left center and right? Conservative and Liberal?
September 10th, 2007 at 6:07 pm“Progs have the same complaints about America as osama.†– some moron above.
Right wing authoritarian bastards don’t think – they perform many logical fallacies, which to them feels like thinking. Notice the above – the complaints are similar, the moron says, so the implication is that all people who have such complaints are akin to Osama!! How damn brilliant you are, random right wing jerkwad. Osama might also identify other problems, such as existence of disease or wet farts, will this make you Osama for agreeing?!
As some stated above, some of the things Osama is attacking are real problems we need to solve(like authoritarianism at the workplace, global warming, over-taxation, and some others) – but his “solution” isn’t just “a little too harsh” – it firstly is not a solution at all, and secondly – it’s way way more than just a “little too harsh”. Choose your words carefully, lefties.
We need theocracy like we need authoritarian capitalism and a 3rd leg – not at all, and it doesn’t matter if it’s islam, or christianity, or some other set of superstitious nonsense meant to subjugate populations.
Wake up apes! The corporations are only “evil” because you all go to work every day and think submission to your assigned managers is how it should be, instead of demanding to collectively distribute profits yourselves. Profit percolates up, stays there, and is used to bribe the politicians that you supposedly elect, by those that need to sell their weapon stock piles before the expiration dates.
September 10th, 2007 at 6:59 pmLet me tell you a story. Right after the Cuban Revolution in 1959, the head of the National police force in Havana Efigenio Almejeiras told Fidel Castro he was ready and willing to sequester from Miami one of Batista”s most looked for criminal henchmen, Rolando Mansferrer aka “The Tiger”. Castro told him if he ever did that he would “order him to be shot”, because “Mansferrer is the kind of enemy we need on the other side”. bin-Laden is exactly that: the best enemy we can have on the othe side. Choose not your friends, but your enemies!
September 11th, 2007 at 8:08 amWho is David Brooks? Is he a Zionist? If the answer is yes, why are we worried about his comments?
September 11th, 2007 at 9:00 amWhat surprises me most about the transcript is UBL’s ability to coopt criticism of his enemies, divide them internally and keep them bickering. This is what makes him so successful in the Moslem world and allows him to remain in hiding in Pakistan. Bin Laden may claim to agree with positions held by Democrats, leftists or libertarians, but he is certainly not a liberal. Keep in mind his goal of creating a theocratic movement. He will tell Republicans what they want to hear (e.g. US troops are fighting terrorists and Iraq is the central front) then in the next breath tell the opposition what they want to hear (corporate interests are destroying the American economy and political sphere of influence). The longer the occupation, the greater the opportunities for him to further his ends.
September 13th, 2007 at 4:31 am