Romney Airs Spanish-Language Ad, Despite Insistence That ‘English Must Be Spoken In America’
Romney Airs Spanish-Language Ad, Despite Insistence That ‘English Must Be Spoken In America’
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney has released a new Spanish-language campaign ad in Florida entitled Mi Padre (My Father), featuring Romney’s son, Craig. Craig encourages voters to “get to know my father, Mitt Romney.” Romney himself then chimes in with: Soy Mitt Romney y apruebo este mensaje (I’m Mitt Romney and I approved this message). Watch it:
It’s interesting that Romney is so interested in reaching out to Latino voters in Spanish. In the past, he has been stridently English-only:
“English needs to be the language that is spoken in America. We cannot be a bilingual nation like Canada.” [3/07]
“You strengthen the American people by securing our borders and by insisting that the children who come legally to this land are taught in English.” [3/2/07]
In September, the Spanish-language television network Univision had to cancel a GOP presidential debate when only Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) agreed to attend.
But with the important Florida presidential primary — and its large number of Latino voters — approaching, the candidates are going all-out to pander for votes. Earlier this month, Giuliani also released a campaign ad en español on at least three Spanish-language television stations in Miami, despite his vocal support for English-only policies.
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I would like to commend Mittens for his ability to speak both English and Spanish out of both corners of his mouth, simultaneously telling his Hispanic audience one thing, and his Anglo audience exactly the opposite.
January 21st, 2008 at 3:58 pmLOL HUgh Hewitt was just on NPR????????????????????NPR???????????????
He exclaimed it was possible for both Mittt and 911Guiliani to be publically anti-abortion and privately anti-abortion. Or dod I have that backwards?????
Do I have it backwards????????????
NPR????????
January 21st, 2008 at 3:59 pmMitt ‘the Morph’ Romney…
If you don’t like what I am this week, be patient…I’ll be what you like by next week’.
Rudy,
‘Well, if we get rid of Hispanics, who will clean my house?’
Huckabible,
‘I’ll preach in Spanish if it gets me votes.’
Thompson,
January 21st, 2008 at 3:59 pm‘We don’t have Mexicans in Tennessee’.
He was against “english-only” before he was for it…
He was for “english-only” before he was against it…
…wait a minute…now I’m confused…
January 21st, 2008 at 4:01 pmRomney:….Only when Spanish helps me advance in my campaign should be allowed…
mmm
January 21st, 2008 at 4:02 pmWhat is the Spanish word for ‘flip-flop’?
-GSD
January 21st, 2008 at 4:06 pmI don’t know why they don’t embrace multiple languages. It’s really an opportunity for Mitt to have a different position in different languages. Imagine that…now he can not only change his position daily but he can have two different positions in two different languages daily.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:07 pmFrom Bob Edwards’s XM satellite radio show:
Presidential candidate Edwards “was talking to someone named Tom Miller, who has been to Cuba as a journalist. Miller was describing a visit where he was just sitting on a park bench talking to someone when a policeman came by and asked for their papers. After going to his police car and checking something, Miller was arrested and taken to some government building where he was questioned for a couple of hours. They asked if he had been handing out copies of a 1948 declaration on human rights. Apparently someone matching Miller’s description had been handing them out.
Miller said “I wasn’t mistreated per se, but it wasn’t a happy experience.” And Edwards says (may not be exact quote) “At least you were treated better than people over in Guantanamo.”
Does Edwards really mean to suggest that one ought to treat terrorists captured on the battlefield the same way as people sitting on a park bench, minding their own business–or for that matter than people who actually were doing what Miller was “suspected” of, namely handing out copies of human-rights literature.
In an age of heightened sensitivity over slurs involving race, religion, sexual orientation and so forth, why is anti-American bigotry considered socially acceptable?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pmLOL at #7
You could be on to a whole new campaign strategy there, elliot.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:09 pmJT:
Did a google search and could find no mention of what you describe. Perhaps you could find a link before throwing around unsubstantiated accusations.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:13 pm#8 What evidence do you have that everyone in Gitmo is a “terrorist” captured “on a battlefield”? Sources? Links?
Also, your interpretation of Edwards remark is downright bizarre.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:14 pmLooks like a troll infestation is brewing on this thread.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:14 pmMitt Romney a Mexican-American?
188pxromney1 Marisa Treviño on the Huffington Post has an interesting piece about Mitt Romney’s criticism of so-called sanctuary cities. She sees it as inconsistent with his family history:
“It seems that Governor Bill Richardson isn’t the only presidential candidate with a Mexican-born parent. Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, can technically claim Latino heritage as well. His father, George Romney, was born in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. . . . The elder Romney was born in a Mormon colony on Mexican soil that his parents had fled to, for lack of a better word — sanctuary. That’s why, it’s rather ironic that Mitt, being the son of a man whose family fled to Mexico for sanctuary reasons, would authorize a plan to slash funding for American cities that declare themselves to be immigration sanctuary cities.”
LOL
Romney’s grandfather (perhaps great grandfather) fled to Mexico to escape persecution in Utah for being a polygamist.
LOL
January 21st, 2008 at 4:14 pmGood point, Frosty Cupcake: since JT’s comment as a whole is a pile of stinking manure, we have every reason to doubt its attribution of this quote to Edwards, and every reason to demand proof.
So let’s see the proof, JT, then we will discuss your inane interpretation of alleged remark.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:16 pmComment by JT — January 21, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
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One thing you have to keep in mind, JT, 86% of the detainees at Gitmo weren’t captured by US troops, and the majority of them don’t come from Iraq or Afghanistan.
On a side note, that story reminds me of a personal experience of my own. In 2004, when I first came home from Iraq, I had tremendous trouble sleeping. I would go out for long walks at night, just to clear my head. Just walking down the street in my own neighborhood, minding my own business. I was stopped three different times by local police, and threatened with being arrested once.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:17 pmI haven’t been following the republican campign that much, just due to lack of time. Who is currently in the lead?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:23 pmAfter watching Rudy Giuliani’s Spanish language campaign ads, the most common comment by Latino voters was, “Estoy harto de enterándose de nueve once!”
January 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pmI haven’t been following the republican campign that much, just due to lack of time. Who is currently in the lead?
Comment by Chris L — January 21, 2008 @ 4:23 p
McCain seems to have the edge for now, but it is still wide open.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:25 pmAfter this Mitt Romney needs to stop bashing the Spanish language and the future bilingual society. We are becoming like Canada and that is a wonderful thing.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:28 pmI think your scared of Romney. Why all the pickiness?
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
I think you have no morals. Why all the hyocrisy? Why all the flip-flopping? What is Romney so afraid of that he won’t stick to his own stated positions? Why are you so afraid of the truth about your lame-ass, plastic, cult-following candidate coming out? Why is anyone afraid of Romney? Because, he, like Bush, will lie through his teeth to get elected, and if he’s close, your Republiscum election-stealers will install another moron to continue your destruction of my country.
Man, are you stupid.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:29 pmHey Romney,
Jodete, pendejo!!!
January 21st, 2008 at 4:29 pmI haven’t been following the republican campign that much, just due to lack of time. Who is currently in the lead?
Comment by Chris L — January 21, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
Bart Simpson.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:29 pmWhy all the pickiness?
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
Because “English only” are code words from the mouths of Republicans pandering to their xenophobic base. Also, the attempt to make English the official language is a closet attempt to outlaw ballots printed in other languages, i.e. it is yet another Republican voter suppression tactic.
The economic incentive for immigrants to learn English is tremendous, and nothing else is needed, particularly not a declaration of English as our official language (we have no such declaration now).
January 21st, 2008 at 4:30 pmMust a troll meeting here today.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:31 pm6. answer: El Flipo/El Flopo…
17. Yes Mitt scares all normal people. Mitt is bush#41s pick, THAT scares me a lot.
They count on the ill informed Republican voters not noticing that Spanish emanates from Mitt’s mouth and English emanates from his behind.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pmMust a troll meeting here today.
Comment by wisedup — January 21, 2008 @ 4:31 pm
I think they are too chicken to venture onto the thread about Dick Cheney’s team destroying email to cover up evidence of their treasonous crimes.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:34 pmWhat an ignorant SOB. My country has 4 national languages, many immigrants, and is still ranked among the wealthiest nations and best places to live in the world.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:36 pm#29 Switzerland I take it?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:37 pmWhat is the Spanish word for ‘flip-flop’?
-GSD
Comment by GSD — January 21, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
Flip flop, no hyphen, per dictionary.com’s translator:
fracaso de tirón
But when I check this with the Spanish-to-English operation, it translates to:
“pull failure.”
Yes indeedy.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:38 pmI see nothing wrong with Mitt or Rudy sucking in the Spanish speaking people as they doing nothing different then Senator Obama who thinks because of the color of his skin he has the black vote. As Karl Rove passed Religion and God who wanted George to be President and it worked. The people of Michigan believed Romney’s lie that would bring back the car industry he now knows you can tell Americans anything and they’ll believe it. At lease the World is seeing just how Americans just follow without thinking it just makes it easier for another country to take over as the Saudis are doing. It is good to see the Spanish immigrants are buying up homes as millions of Americans go in to foreclosure now who’s smart and who’s dumb. Senator Obama who only knows what he has read and he did benefit from the Civil Rights movement is talking the Clinton’s who lived and worked during that struggle he knows more. Yes his life was in Hawaii and overseas only to come back to the US and benefit from what Civil Rights Bill. Hillary got to met Dr. King but of course because she’s white that means nothing to the uneducated Americans as the Media does it spin. So Mitt, Rudy and Rev. Huck will do what ever it takes to get a vote and as Karl Rove proved Americans don’t think they follow it just might work. I look forward to the Republicans selling the lies to African Americans with enough money they would follow the lies to. Remember the GOP is funding the terrorist so anything can happen. Now the Saudis are smart to as they are buying up shares of the US banks. When they own the banks your car payment and mortgage payments will soon be going to the US/Saudi banks of America.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:40 pm#30
Switzerland, indeed.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:44 pmBart Simpson.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 21, 2008 @ 4:29 pm
Followed closely by Dagwood Bumstead in second place, with Locutus of Borg nipping at their heels. Locutus, by the way, is threatening to assimilate all Democrats in Congress if he loses.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:44 pmdidn’t Rudy do a Spanish-language ad for Florida as well?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:47 pmCan you discuss anything without insult. Thats why nobody takes you seriously. I’m done with you. If you don’t want to DISCUSS the issue, go away.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Can’t you discuss anything instead of throwing out “Oh, you insulted me, my feelings are hurt”?
Lefty made some valid points. What’s the matter…can’t you discuss them?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:48 pmdidn’t Rudy do a Spanish-language ad for Florida as well?
Comment by Pete Bogs — January 21, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Indeed he did.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:48 pmHe would have to have a Spanish-language ad in order to tell the people this:
Escuche todo usted mexicanos ilegales. Ustedes deben aprender a hablar inglés.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:50 pmRe: Craig encourages voters to “get to know my father, Mitt Romney.â€
Is this the Craig Romney who valiantly fights for America’s freedom and prevents terrorists from attacking us by following his father around the country and campaigning on his behalf?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:51 pmI’m all for an official language, as long as it’s Vietnamese.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pmWhy not have an official langauge? It makes perfect sense to do so, yet common sense gets thrown out the window in todays political climate.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
Probably for the same reason that Ex Lax doesn’t have an official toilet paper.
If Mitt is so damned gung ho about an official language, then he needs to encourage immigrants to learn English by addressing them in English. Instead, the message is, “Vote for me, and I’ll force you to speak English if you are going to live in this country.”
January 21st, 2008 at 4:54 pmWhy not have an official langauge? It makes perfect sense to do so, yet common sense gets thrown out the window in todays political climate.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
I few years back I was contacted by a Dutch teen who was looking for kids in the States to be a penpal with. He spoke 5 languages fluently and was an accomplished musician and student. It was embarassing to admit that as a teacher in the US I had no students who could stand in the same room as him without looking stupid. Speaking louder in English isn’t the answer!
January 21st, 2008 at 4:55 pmIt makes perfect sense to do so
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
And why? This country is doing just fine without an official language. Can you tell me a specific problem caused by not having one?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pmBad Eye,
Yes, that would be him.
Tough work, enlisting & fighting hard for your Country, er, Father.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:58 pmI’m done with you.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Lefty says one thing to you, and you are DONE with him? I didn’t even know you got started.
Sheesh. If you can’t take on Lefty, how are we to expect you to deal with the terrorists if they tell you to your face that your mother wears combat boots?
January 21st, 2008 at 4:59 pmComment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:48 pm
While I am not sure an official language “makes perfect sense”, I am not necessarily opposed to the idea.
What I most definitely repulsed by, is the constant xenophobic, racist hatemongering from the right-wing when it comes to this issue. Their goal isn’t to help newcomers assimilate, but to segregate through language. That, I have a problem with.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:00 pmCan you tell me a specific problem caused by not having one?
Comment by VerbalKint — January 21, 2008 @ 4:57 pm
Ooooo…I can! The likes of Romney wouldn’t have to look like an ass by demanding Mexicans speak English only to campaign to them in their native language.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:02 pmBy the way, I travel a lot to Europe and am embarrassed that I do not speak any language except for English and a little bit of Spanish. I attribute this to a terrible gap in our educational system (and some laziness on my part). My European colleagues are all fluent in English, and many are fluent in three languages. Americans should consider themselves damn lucky that other nations teach English so well in their schools. Because of this, it is very easy to travel and conduct business throughout much of the world knowing only English. I think we are better off as a multilingual society than a monolingual one. But a key element of the conservative/right wing authoritarian mentality is fear of anything unfamiliar.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:02 pmIs Romney the mormon word for flip flop?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:02 pmBy the way, the option of having multiple official languages is never on the table for the racist right-wing haters.
As long as Spanish is spoken by a wide sector of the population in the US, it should be considered as a potential co-official language with English. There is nothing wrong with that.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:03 pmWaitaminnit — didn’t Rudy do the same thing? That is, proclaim “English only” long and loud to appeal to the xenophobes and then produce Spanish language advertisements to shill himself to the Hispanic vote?
I suspect that both Rudy and Mitt are counting on votes from people who don’t think very hard.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pmWhat my dog hears- “Bogey, blah blah blah blah bed, blah blah blah blah treat.â€
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
Try Spanish on him.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:08 pmYour dog knows three English language words. Obviously Bogey isn’t a German Shepard. I’ll quess English sheepdog
January 21st, 2008 at 5:09 pmOh, and boohoo, SM. You’re a crybaby with excuses instead of answers. English as the official language would leave Bush out in the cold.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:10 pmComment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
The point, Einstein, is that Romney is a f-cking hypocrite. Something that you apparently can’t fathom.
You still haven’t addressed Lefty’s points about Romney.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:10 pmCan you discuss anything without insult. Thats why nobody takes you seriously. I’m done with you. If you don’t want to DISCUSS the issue, go away.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:41 pm
I take LP seriously.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:14 pmYou still haven’t addressed Lefty’s points about Romney.
Comment by Bad Eye — January 21, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
First off, he’s done with me. Secondly, how can he argue? He’s just admitting that he is, in fact, stupid. I was just stating a fact; he insists it’s an insult. If he wanted to prove me wrong, he would argue the facts.
But I will apologize.
SM, I’m sorry you’re stupid.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:17 pm#65 Oh my goodness, schoolchildren who need to be taught English. What a tragedy. We wouldn’t want to teach any languages in our schools, now would we?
As for the road sign thing, it is pure crap. Safety-related road signs are all iconic in design, and by and large are similar or the same as used in most of the world.
You haven’t ever been to foreign country, have you?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:18 pmHe spoke 5 languages fluently and was an accomplished musician and student.
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
In the Netherlands, they understand that they aren’t the center of the entire universe. When I was in Amsterdam, it was rare to find somebody who couldn’t speak English with me. Only in the United States do we believe that if the rest of the world wants to talk to us, they should do it in our language — making us even more arrogant than the French.
Foreign language study is mandatory in many European countries, starting at an early age. Here, it’s rarely mandatory, and even as elective courses generally aren’t available until advanced grades. I studied both German and Swedish, but not long enough to become anything close to fluent, and in this country, I didn’t have enough opportunity to practice either of them sufficiently to become proficient (looking back, I realize I should have studied Spanish!).
Several countries have more than one official language (Canada, Switzerland, and Belgium come to mind). In these countries, signage and other written materials are usually in more than one language, and many citizens learn to speak at least some of a second language more easily as a result.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:19 pm#65 Also, SM, your comment is truly bizarre and illogical. How would declaring English the official language help with the road signs? How would it help with ESL students? It’s just a declaration. It doesn’t do anything to address either of the issues you raise.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pmMost of my Spanish speaking students have had little difficulty being successful in class. They usually are bilingual or become so very quickly. Like my Asian students they also come from families which respect the educational process far more than their waspy classmates and their families. In fact it was my brother who as a soley English speaker who needed to learn Spanish to continue to be successful in his field as a large city high end chef.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pmAll of our signs on interstates , state highways, and city roadways are in English. This causes dangerous driving conditions on our roadways when licensed and unlicensed use them. A huge safety hazard. Should we now spend billions of dollars to add signs in Spanish as well. Theres two, and there are many more.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
I knew it would come down to money; there’s enough money to slaughter Iraqi children in their beds, but not enough for English-Spanish textbooks and signs.
See why I question your thought processes, SM? Because they don’t have any moral center. This argument exposes you as valuing money more than people. it is a bad way to live on a planet full of people. People were here long before money, and if money disappeared tomorrow, people would figure out how to do without it. the right wing is obsessed with money and stuff. Why?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:21 pmHey Southern Man, if Romney/Ghouliani is prepared to speak Spanish to Spanish speaking folks to get their vote, ignoring their English only stand, imagine what they’re willing to do to get homosexual votes. Ha ha ha. They just turn the other cheek I guess.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:23 pmComment by missmolly — January 21, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
The high school I teach in does not require any world language study for graduation. It is so freakin’ pitiful, short sighted, and outright in direct opposition to all that is understood about language and communication skills. Sad….
January 21st, 2008 at 5:23 pmThey just turn the other cheek I guess.
Comment by Dave C — January 21, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Look out, Dave C., they are, after all, Republicans. You may be very close to home.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:24 pmSM, if you are so worried about road safety, you should support issuing driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. Many police departments support such a policy.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pmComment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
1) I’ve seen Spanish textbooks before. Actually, I had one in my Spanish class.
2) People are more than capable of driving on the road without having the fundemental knowledge of any language. Hence the reason a stop sign is always octagonal and red and a yeild sign is always an upside down triangle
January 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pmWell, the comparison is valid IMO. If you believe English only for U.S. citizens then you shouldn’t be speaking Spanish to get votes. If you believe in hetero only sex then you shouldn’t be giving blowjobs to get votes. If you believe in Christianity driving the govt then you shouldn’t blaspheme to get atheist votes. With all of the flip flopping going on these days it’s hard to know what Republicans do stand for. Remember when they used to have phrases like “compassionate conservative” and “fiscal conservative”? What a crock of shite that turned out to be. Now they spend like there’s no end to the money & torture to get information. And their domestic policies are compassionate to the wealthy only.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:29 pmThe “A Little Dab Will Do Ya” man, the Mittster, is a equal opportunity man when it comes to pandering for votes?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:31 pmwell, let’s face facts; the GOP is far more dangerous to America than Al Qaeda, and has done far more damage than 9/11. These are simple, obvious facts, easy to prove, even by the GOP’s measure. Bush has killed more Americans than 9/11 did, and no amount of Arab attacks could roll back our civil rights as quickly and completely as the Repuke congress did. And money? Billions stolen, billions, by Republican operatives and Republican-connected companies like Halliburton. Not to mention the page-raping Republican congressmen, the closetted homosexual senator arrested for lewd homosexual behavior; it goes on for many pages.
Want another 9/11 and its results? Vote Republican.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:34 pmMutt Rommel would best be described as “loco en la cabeza”
or my Columbian friend says “idiota que se tira del tirón”
January 21st, 2008 at 5:39 pmWhy should we change our langauge, which has been used for two hundred plus years, to suit them.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
My god, are you ever ignorant about the history of your own country. We are a country of immigrants. People have been coming here, speaking their native language, and learning English, for the entire history of our nation.
You also sound pretty darn xenophobic to me.
And who the hell says we have to change our language?!?!?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:42 pmLangauge, borders, culture. Without all three, we are a doomed society.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. proven by many other more advanced countries. Look at the way you spelled language, by the way. And what culture does a 225-year-old melting-pot have, anyway? This country was for 200 years the culture of immigrants. You have it entirely backwards. Who are the “we” you refer to? The Italians and Spanish and Vikings that “discovered” this land? The Native Americans who were slaughtered by the millions? The English settlers who had been tossed out on their asses and wound up here because they were losers? Who do you refer to? The African slaves? The Chinese railroad gangs? The Irish? the Pennsylvania Dutch? The only Americans there ever were are nearly gone, decimated in a genocide without equal in world history. And you think English should be the official language.
Wow.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pmComment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Most hospitals already have spanish translators on staff.
I live here in Chicago and many of the local hospitals not only have Spanish translators, but Russian, Polish, and some form of Chinese.
Hell, even the Cook County Court (thats Chicago) has its website in multiple languages. Here’s simplified Chinese:
http://w4.systranlinks.com/trans?lp=en_zh&url=http%3A%2F%2F198.173.15.31%2Fnewsite%2F%3F
January 21st, 2008 at 5:45 pmHow about emergency rooms? We can’t hire enough good doctors and nurses as it is,
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
More ignorance. Doctor shortages are only local, typically in remote rural areas. The total number of doctors is determined by the AMA, which functions like a guild in that it deliberately limits its numbers to keep salaries high. The AMA controls the number of medical schools and limits how many students they can graduate each year. This practice should be outlawed.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:46 pmWhat is the Spanish word for ‘flip-flop’?
-GSD
Comment by GSD — January 21, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
kerrygore
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 4:13 pm
Gee that’s witty… how about, GiuliRomney?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:47 pmAsk a terrorist who they want in The White House. They will say 100%, a democrat. I wonder why that is Lefty. When Al Qaida was asked before the 06 elections who they would vote for, “democrats across the boardâ€. Democrats are soft, why else would they not impeach Cheeney when there is plenty of evidence to do so? If they won’t even take on Cheeney, what makes you believe they won’t take on real terrorist?
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Which terrorist did you ask Southern Man? Osama bin Laden and his family are big fans of Bushco and I’m sure wanted them in office so his family could get flown out at taxpayer expense after the twin towers fell.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:47 pmAsk a terrorist who they want in The White House. They will say 100%, a democrat.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
ha ha ha. Republicans don’t have the ability to catch terrorists, but they can poll them?
Why don’t you try eliminating the terrorist threat instead of asking them who they would vote for?
January 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pmComment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Methinks Al-Queda’s Reverse Psychology department has gotten to this one.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pmAsk a terrorist who they want in The White House. They will say 100%, a democrat. I wonder why that is Lefty. When Al Qaida was asked before the 06 elections who they would vote for, “democrats across the boardâ€. Democrats are soft, why else would they not impeach Cheeney when there is plenty of evidence to do so? If they won’t even take on Cheeney, what makes you believe they won’t take on real terrorist?
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
yeah, that’s why they waited for George Bush before they pulled out all the stops. the dems took on the terrorists, and won, more than once. The republicans failed us, co pletely. The problem with Cheney is most certainly that he is the biggest terrorist of all, with full dossiers on every person in government, and the lack of soul and patriotism to use and abuse any private information he has.
and what terrorists have you been talking to? The ones that ran all of the Bin Laden re-election videos for GWB and crew?
Now, what explanation do we have for this amount and level of wrong-headedness on your part? You got all huffy when I called you stupid, and yet you post this kind of stupidity. So, please explain what you mean, and what terrorists you talked to.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pmAsk a terrorist who they want in The White House. They will say 100%, a democrat. I wonder why that is Lefty. When Al Qaida was asked before the 06 elections who they would vote for, “democrats across the boardâ€.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Let’s have some proof. Please provide links to the polls conducted of Al Qaeda members.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pmOkay, I am personally declaring Southern Man too stupid to help. Lord knows I have tried. It’s almost as bad as Frank.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:50 pmAsk a terrorist who they want in The White House. They will say 100%, a democrat.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:44 pm
And you’d know that because… Point me to the nearest poll of terrorists dude. Just talking out of your a$$ again I guess. If anything the terrorists would be loving a Rep in office. It’s not too difficult to find new members with all of the shite that GWB is causing. Hating is easy with him in office.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:50 pmI think that any objective observer would agree that Southern Man’s lame arguments and phony facts have been pulverized by others on this thread. Yet he just keeps on putting them out there to get blasted to smithereens.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:54 pmdidn’t Rudy do a Spanish-language ad for Florida as well?
Comment by Pete Bogs — January 21, 2008 @ 4:47 pm
Yes he did and while I don’t speak much spanish I’d be willing to bet that he mentions 9/11 in it at least twice…;)
January 21st, 2008 at 5:55 pmFunny how you omit the fact that when our ancestors came from all of those other countries, the accimilated into our society very quickly. They knew they had to learn our ways or they would not have a chance. Today, it’s about learning their ways? I say bullsh*t.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Making it up again, I see. What is your evidence that immigrants were assimilated any quicker then than now? And what is your problem with learning their ways, anyways? Are you scared of learning new things? Do unfamiliar foods frighten you? Is it their brown skin?
Your words ooze xenophobia.
January 21st, 2008 at 5:57 pmConsidering Hill’reh’s new interest in the economy, someone should ask her if, as president, she would:
1) grant CA’s waiver to speed up / increase the emissions regs on automobiles
2) deny CA’s waiver
3) postpone implementation of the 2007 CAFE standards
January 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pmHard working, a strong focus on family, a strong desire to improve their lives. Which of these immigrant qualities frighten you, Southern Man?
Back in the late seventies and early eighties I worked as a line cook in various restaurants. Approximately half the kitchen staff were Latino immigrants. I would much rather work with those guys than many Americans, because they worked hard, and they learned. I wonder if Southern Man is a lazy crybaby like some of the Americans I worked with.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:03 pmYeah, because those French Fries and German Streusal are FROM THE DEVIL and their WAYS should NEVER BE LEARNED ;)
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 21, 2008 @ 6:00 pm
And those French people are dirty, too. At least Germans are white, like us. But they drink coffee out of little cups, and that scares me.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:05 pmFunny how you omit the fact that when our ancestors came from all of those other countries, the accimilated into our society very quickly. They knew they had to learn our ways or they would not have a chance. Today, it’s about learning their ways? I say bullsh*t.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Like the Mafiosos? Most of whom never bothered with English? And what, exactly, are “our ways”? The way of the Catholic? Protestant? Jew? Muslim? Mormon? Scientologist? 7th Day Adventist? Atheist? Anglo? African? Irishman? Trinidadian? Vietnamese?
See, SM, we are a result of all the ways that are here or have ever been here. There is no settled “way”, which seems to scare you. And the assimilation you hope for is actually very bad for our international business relations, as we lose our place at the head of the table because of GOP incompetence and greed. China and russia are coming up fast, as are India and the European Union. our exceptionalism, always exaggerated, is now coming into sharp focus as being mostly hot air and big talk. You really should get out more.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:12 pmBut they drink coffee out of little cups, and that scares me.
Comment by VerbalKint — January 21, 2008 @ 6:05 pm
LOL
Thanks for the chuckle!
January 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pmI think we need a fence around Utah. They talk funny there.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:16 pmSpeaking of Germans and language, why do they make so many food items sound unappetizing? Take krapfen, for example. Who would guess that it means donut (or to be more precise, Bismarck donut)? Does Schweinefleisch sound appetizing to anyone? And somehow “fruits of the sea” as a description of shellfish just doesn’t do it for me.
And then there is the ubiquitous use of the term fahrt everywhere. Einfahrt? Ausfahrt? In fart? Out fart?
Scary stuff.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pmI think we need a fence around Utah. They talk funny there.
Comment by jb — January 21, 2008 @ 6:16 pm
They talk funny up in Minnesota, too.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:18 pmThey talk funny up in Minnesota, too.
Comment by gummitch — January 21, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
Yeah, don’tcha know. I’m sure they harbor terrists.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:20 pmRadical Right & Veritas:
Thank you for your encouragement.
I left a gift behind on the prior Iraq Study Group thread for your reading pleasure – in three parts – though all from the same document compiled by me a couple years ago.
Not for the faint of heart, or those with ADD.
Required reading for Patriots.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:20 pmToday, it’s about learning their ways? I say bullsh*t.
Comment by Southern Man — January 21, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
I disagree. I don’t know any spanish nor am I familiar with any Hispanic cultural traditions.
I don’t see how you should have to learn anymore of their culture than you would want.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pmThey talk funny up in Minnesota, too.
Comment by gummitch — January 21, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
They also have the bizarre custom of giving the children’s game “duck, duck, goose” the name “duck, duck, gray duck”.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:23 pm.
Mittens seeks to be the next Great Panderer in Chief.
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January 21st, 2008 at 6:24 pmWho cares. If you need to know spanish to understand, go learn it.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:26 pmOne of best culinary developments to ever hit Minneapolis is the introduction a few years ago of bona fide tortillarias. When I bought my first 36 pack of corn tortillas warm off the machine I wanted to cry. Nowadays taco night at my house is an event to remember every time it happens.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pmSpeaking of Germans and language, why do they make so many food items sound unappetizing? Take krapfen, for example. Who would guess that it means donut (or to be more precise, Bismarck donut)? Does Schweinefleisch sound appetizing to anyone? And somehow “fruits of the sea†as a description of shellfish just doesn’t do it for me.
Comment by VerbalKint — January 21, 2008 @ 6:18 pm
sounds better than chitterlings
January 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pmAll who wish to be citizens of the United States must learn english.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
Zieg Heil!
What a sick little ignorant fascist you are.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pmThere is nothing disingenuous about running ads in Spanish. One must go where the voters are.
The voters can learn to use english as their primary language after Romney is elected President.
English must be the official language of the United States. We cannot be a bi-lingual nation and remain a strong, cohesive country.
Language cannot be allowed to remain a barrier to success in this country.
All who wish to be citizens of the United States must learn english.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
I’m guessing you don’t see a lot of Cubans in New Mexico, bigfoot, otherwise you’d know how stupid those comments are.
If learning English is what it takes to be successful in this country, people will learn English without you having to cram it down their throats. If the English-speaking portion of the population continues to offer the best options for immigrants, they will learn English; if not, then perhaps the English-speaking portion of the population needs to hand over the reins.
Incidentally, there is nothing in the Constitution to support your demands and yet we’ve managed to survive all these years as a nation. Why do you suppose that is?
January 21st, 2008 at 6:39 pmAll who wish to be citizens of the United States must learn english.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:32 pm
Well, to nobody’s surprise, you’re wrong on everything here. Romney isn’t ever going to be president, he’s a crazy cultist without a clue. And many, many countries have been around much longer than the USA with several languages being the accepted norm. English will never be the official language, especially with a nitwit like George Bush slaughtering the language with the same gusto that he slaughters Iraqi children with. language is obviously no barrier to success in this country. And, nobody who wishes to become a citizen has to learn English in any more than a remedial, limited way, after which they can forget it, and go about the business of running for office in the GOP, where money does all the talking. Complete strikeout, bigfoot. you’re still the leading moron on this blog.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:43 pmThe vast majority of U.S. citizens support the learning of english to be a requirement of citizenship.
Not true.
Apparently, you prefer immigrants to be left out of the American dream. That makes you racist.
also not true.
you are a liar of the first magnitude.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pmThat makes you racist.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
It is hilarious that a racist twit accuses others of being racist.
Thats some projector you got there Bigfoot-in-mouth.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pmBigfoot is a shallow reader, which shouldn’t be surprising. His report on Romney is true as far as it goes, but the report offers more insight than “Romney leading”.
If Romney carries Florida, he undoubtedly knocks out Guiliani but that’s hardly going to make him the nominee.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pmAs if on que, Lefty Patriot comes along with his usual hatred, venom, religious bigotry, racism, and anti-American drivel. We can always count on you to represent best the “progressive†cause, LP!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
That’s how you characerise the unvarnished truth, bigfoot, because you’ve always been afraid that if the truth were exposed to Aemricans, they would see what a disaster the GOPs bloodlust and savagery is. Everything I’ve written is the honest truth, and you have no rejoinder except to call names. Too bad your lies are so transparent, and your antiAmericanism so obvious. You lose.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:51 pmI think all who aspire to be POTUS should be required to know how to speak english. We might have avoided the catastrophe of the last 7 years.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:51 pmAs if on que, Lefty Patriot comes along with his usual hatred, venom, religious bigotry, racism, and anti-American drivel. We can always count on you to represent best the “progressive†cause, LP!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
Says a member of a church that for years ( starting from its roots ) discriminated against blacks because they were supposedly the descendants of Cain.
You are hilarious.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pmThe vast majority of U.S. citizens support the learning of english to be a requirement of citizenship.
You are simply out of step with the mainstream.
Apparently, you prefer immigrants to be left out of the American dream. That makes you racist.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
Bigfoot’s super power again. Why is it that bigfoot can’t have an opinion without claiming that “the vast majority of Americans” agree with him, and yet never does he provide any evidence.
And, sure, bigfoot, those of us who don’t see a need for an “official language” just want immigrants left out — as they have been for the last 200 years without an official language. Do you ever think any of this stuff through before you bloviate?
January 21st, 2008 at 6:53 pmSad for you, but predictable considering most of you are racists who promote class warfare.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
And there you go again, bigfoot, lying about liberals. Pathetic, especially here where everyone knows they’re lies.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:55 pmThe vast majority of U.S. citizens support the learning of english to be a requirement of U.S. citizenship.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
You truly do not know what the requirements for naturalization are, do you?
See? Been that way for years and years and no need to impose an “official” language or prevent information from appearing in other languages when helpful.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:58 pmIt is the GOP pigs that are waging class war. Tax breaks for the ones who benefit the most from all our work. Sit by the pool and count your dividends and your tax cuts, I’m too busy trying to EARN a living.
January 21st, 2008 at 6:58 pmUnless you support it also, you are a racist who prefers immigrants to be left out of the American dream.
U.Yeti. Oh plucking fease.
Yet another false conclusion borne of your hysteria driven talking points.
I still say Vietnamese should be our national language. Biet, phai khong? Biet?
January 21st, 2008 at 6:59 pmI don’t really get the whole “official language” thing. What does it do for us? Is it mandatory to learn? If so, how do we go about providing for that? If it is worth all the hassle, then fine do it. But we have been a country for 232 years without a “official/national language” and we’ve done some pretty aazing thins in that time. So, if we didn’t need it then, why do we need it now?
January 21st, 2008 at 6:59 pmBigfoot would have us all goosestepping to whatever his idea of “mainstream” is.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:01 pmI don’t really get the whole “official language†thing. What does it do for us? Is it mandatory to learn? If so, how do we go about providing for that? If it is worth all the hassle, then fine do it. But we have been a country for 232 years without a “official/national language†and we’ve done some pretty aazing thins in that time. So, if we didn’t need it then, why do we need it now?
Comment by Chris L — January 21, 2008 @ 6:59 pm
It’s because people like bigfoot are terrified of the dark people. The Southwest, Florida and California have an increasingly-large proportion of Latinos (and SE Asians) and a increasingly-smaller proportion of Whites. The bigfoots of the country are terrified they’ll lose their position of power as white males.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pm#150 That should read “pretty amazing things”. Kinda obvious how I’m celebrating MLK day. Oops.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pmWill it be against the law to utter words not in the official dictionary?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:03 pmComment by gummitch — January 21, 2008 @ 7:02 pm
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Right, But I still don’t see what it means. In other words, if we declared tomorrow that our official/national language is Hmong Laosian, what effect would it have on my next door neighbor Bob?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pmHow much English do we need to know? Who decides?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pmYes, I do. That’s why I stated my beliefs. English must be learned by those who wish to become citizens.
Those who do not, cannot become citizens.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
And no one has suggested anything different — except you, who claimed we needed an official language. If English proficiency is already required for citizenship, where is there a problem?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pmDoes W know English well enough to be a citizen?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:06 pmI think it should be a requirement that any persons wanting to become US Citizens should be able to juggle three tennis balls in the air blindfolded.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:07 pmThat’s my opinion, and it’s so stupid, I’m sticking to it.
Yes, I do. That’s why I stated my beliefs. English must be learned by those who wish to become citizens.
Those who do not, cannot become citizens.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
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So, with that being the law already, there is no need to make another law. No need for the whole official language thing. If you do not learn Enlish, you cannot become a citizen. So, the law is just fine as it is now.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pmRight, But I still don’t see what it means. In other words, if we declared tomorrow that our official/national language is Hmong Laosian, what effect would it have on my next door neighbor Bob?
Comment by Chris L — January 21, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
The nativists who claim we need an official language would immediately halt the production of any multilingual information at the state and federal level.
Yet bigfoot claims no hypocrisy on the part of politicians who speak “English only” out of one side of their mouths and pander to voters in Spanish out of the other. This is pretty much the definition of hypocrisy and dishonesty, on the part of the politicians and bigfoot.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:08 pmAnybody not juggling blindfolded is just “out of step with the mainstream”.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:09 pmI still say Vietnamese should be our national language. Biet, phai khong? Biet?
Comment by RUCerious — January 21, 2008 @ 6:59 pm
I prefer Cherokee or Lakota myself=)
January 21st, 2008 at 7:09 pmI think it should be a requirement that any persons wanting to become US Citizens should be able to juggle three tennis balls in the air blindfolded.
That’s my opinion, and it’s so stupid, I’m sticking to it.
Comment by RUCerious — January 21, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
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But that just gets them citizenship, nothing else. I they want to run for office they must be able to juggle knives while standing on the back of a white tiger. If they want to be president, someone gives meth to the tiger.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pmWe may want to consider mandating Crow lineage systems as well. No more of this “dad” nonsense.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pmThat’s what freedom is all about: You have the freedom to remain a failure if you choose to do so. Just realize you can choose a different path, it’s all up to you.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 6:58 pm
bigfoot, you’re such an abject failure as an American and as a human being that you will never be free of the hate, racism and bigotry that mark your every post. You will never know the freedom of the truth, as “the truth shall set y8ou free”, words that will never apply to you as a coward and loser.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:10 pmYes, I do. That’s why I stated my beliefs. English must be learned by those who wish to become citizens.
Those who do not, cannot become citizens.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Will you permit them to speak their native tongue in their own homes or do you have a Franco sort of thing going ala Basques deal going?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:11 pmI prefer Cherokee or Lakota myself=)
Comment by Wayne — January 21, 2008 @ 7:09 pm
Imagine the beautiful patchwork of language and culture that covered this continent before the invading sea of illegal white immigrants invaded.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pmEnglish must be learned by those who wish to become citizens.
Those who do not, cannot become citizens.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
and they never have to speak it again. that’s clled freedom, bigfoot, a concept that scares you silly. but it’s OK, white men have already lost their faux superiority, and will continue to be diminished, as they deserve, after all their mass-murdering ways.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pmWill you permit them to speak their native tongue in their own homes or do you have a Franco sort of thing going ala Basques deal going?
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 7:11 pm
Or Turks and Kurds. We’d better set up dress standards as well. No more hairnets and none of those plaid shirts buttoned at the throat. And no more of those low riders cruising around. SUVs are good enough for white people, so they’re good enough for Chicanos. No more taquerias! Wonder Bread or nothing!
January 21st, 2008 at 7:13 pmBigfoot’s super power again. Why is it that bigfoot can’t have an opinion without claiming that “the vast majority of Americans†agree with him, and yet never does he provide any evidence.
Comment by gummitch — January 21, 2008 @ 6:53 pm
I am not defending Big O here, but I do think it fair to point out that MANY posters here use their superpower of imagining how the “vast majority of Americans” would think if they only knew “the truth”. Bilbo is the classic example: He just KNOWS Kucinich would win the Presidency in a walk if only the meanie MSM would not put him in a corner. There is no evidence of this either, but it is often offered as proof by lots of Progs here.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pmRHF, don’t attribute bigfoot wth skills he doesn’t possess. he’s no butcher, he’s merely a salesman, pawning off his rotten meat to the poor dumb shits that believe his lies. he’s never done an honest day’s work in his miserable, cowardly, bigotted life.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pmLiberals promote class warfare and class envy.
Conservatives are inclusive, liberals are devisive.
Such is the painful truth… for liberals.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
Lies? Or delusion? It’s difficult to know for sure.
“Conservatives are inclusive”? Just as long as you’re male, white and speak English, you can be included. Otherwise, please take care of the lawn, will you?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:15 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
republicans never passed civil rights’ legislation. what country are you from?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:16 pm“Conservatives” have a record of further dividing the classes. The gap between the richest few and the rest of the country has been widened by the policies of the GOP over the last few years. A trajectory set off by Raygun.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:17 pmBut that just gets them citizenship, nothing else. I they want to run for office they must be able to juggle knives while standing on the back of a white tiger. If they want to be president, someone gives meth to the tiger.
Comment by Chris L — January 21, 2008 @ 7:10 pm
Sounds as good as the system we have currently….
January 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pmThis just haunts me and probably so many others. Nothing changed, nothing learned in 40 years. Gettin shot up again, listening to the same arrogance. people broke. corporate screaming for more.
It’s way pastime that the people should act.
Code Pink has a twenty first century solution. It’s all about money.
Haves and havenots.
Awaken America!
January 21st, 2008 at 7:18 pmI am not defending Big O here, but I do think it fair to point out that MANY posters here use their superpower of imagining how the “vast majority of Americans†would think if they only knew “the truthâ€. Bilbo is the classic example: He just KNOWS Kucinich would win the Presidency in a walk if only the meanie MSM would not put him in a corner. There is no evidence of this either, but it is often offered as proof by lots of Progs here.
Comment by Keltoi at Night — January 21, 2008 @ 7:14 pm
And we have you to chastise him, don’t we?
As to your last sentence, I would disagree. What I have heard the progressives on this blog suggest, and I agree, is that political discourse in this country is too narrow and the MSM is largely to blame. The to-be-wished-for slide back to progressive politics in this country is stifled by the media determining what topics and which political viewpoints are worth presenting to the public. Stifling voices, whether Kucinich or Ron Paul, doesn’t serve the body politic at all.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:19 pmImagine the beautiful patchwork of language and culture that covered this continent before the invading sea of illegal white immigrants invaded.
Comment by jb — January 21, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
Too bad we didn’t have a better border patrol back then. We might have been able to keep those crazy terrorist and their devil out.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:20 pmConservatives believe all are truly equal, and that everyone has the right to the opportunities afforded to natural-born U.S. citizens, regardless of where they come from.
this is bigfoots biggest and best lie yet. conservatives fought against freeing the slaves, fought against womens’ suffrage, fought against child labor laws, fought against civil rights (and are still fighting that long-lost battle). Conservatives fought against segregation, equal rights for all Americans, and are still fighting for such nice Nazi standards as an official language, just like Hitler. conservatives look up to Hitler, and down on fellow Americans. conservatives have tried to divide this country since the first day, and conservatives stood with the tyrant George III in 1776. The United States would still be a world leader and respectea around the world were it not for conservatives weaking the dollar, the military, and national security. Want another 9/11? vote conservative.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:20 pmThose who don’t support english being learned by immigrants, support the idea of keeping immigrants relegated to second-class status.
But what would we expect from mean-spirited liberals?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:18 pm
This is what is known as a strawman argument, bigfoot. It’s the only kind you can ever “win”. Please point out a single instance in which liberals have not supported immigrants learning English.
And we’re all waiting breathlessly for you to explain why we need an official language if your only concern is that immigrants learn English if they want to become citizens.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:22 pmImmigrants learn English just fine Bigfoot in mouth. Why do you want the government to tell them what to do?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:23 pmBut what would we expect from mean-spirited liberals?
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:18 pm
but you’re OK with re[publicans keeping them from voting, aren’t you? yes, y8our vote-caging conservative buddies are the anti-immigrant, anti-minotiry group, not liberals. wrong again, bigfoot your lies are embarrassingly easy to defeat. you have no standing here, you are just a liar and an America-hater. Hitler would be proud of your ability to lie constantly.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:23 pmConservatives are inclusive, liberals are devisive.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
One of these days your tongue is going to catch fire from your blatant lies.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:18 pm
Are you embarassed by the pitiful language skills and respect for language which epitomizes both the youth and adults of the States? Do you cringe when people say “Drive Safe” or can not figure out to from two, from too? or effect from affect?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:24 pmor effect from affect?
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
I avoid those words and I’ve been blessed with a decent education. There’s just some sneaky about them.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pmI can only imagine the hell your life must be, without anyone….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Yes, your fevered imagination must be something. I am world-renowned in my field, a professor at leading colleges in my field, and very well-respected by my colleagues. You are a shady dealer in frozen, painted animal by-products. No wonder you live away from society; you’d be run out of any town you tried to occupy.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pmUn freaking real!
My guess is that most of the momentum, what little there is, for an “official language” comes from cowardly idiots who are afraid that anyone “talking funny” is saying “bad things” about them. That’s the same reason they attack those who rationally point out the flaws in our government. They can’t understand so they get scared. And people hate what they fear.
Sad huh? That so many go through life in perpetual fear that their ignorance will be exposed or (gasp!) challenged.
BTW, if one adheres to the “official language” meme; shouldn’t we require U.S. military personnel to learn the language of the country where they are deployed? Heck, following their “logic” U.S. soldiers shouldn’t be allowed to enter a foreign country until they achieve a working knowledge of their “official language”.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pmOne of these days your tongue is going to catch fire from your blatant lies.
Comment by Wayne — January 21, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
And then it will ignite the strawman he’s always carrying around with him.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pmConservatives are inclusive, liberals are devisive.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
Are you on drugs?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:27 pmAre you embarassed by the pitiful language skills and respect for language which epitomizes both the youth and adults of the States? Do you cringe when people say “Drive Safe†or can not figure out to from two, from too? or effect from affect?
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
Maybe we should try teaching English to everybody.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:28 pmHeck, following their “logic†U.S. soldiers shouldn’t be allowed to enter a foreign country until they achieve a working knowledge of their “official languageâ€.
Comment by pete — January 21, 2008 @ 7:26 pm
Well, that would never be approved of by republicans, because it would save too many lives. Republicans aren’t happy unless they’re killing both the “enemy” and our own troops, an many as possible, as quickly as possible. The bloodlust of conservatives is the leading indicator of how unevolved they are compared with liberals. They aren’t quite human yet, so they still rely on violence and hate to get to their goal of amazzing more shiny things than their neighbors. Republicans are savages and animals, really.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pmU.S. soldiers shouldn’t be allowed to enter a foreign country until they achieve a working knowledge of their “official languageâ€.
Comment by pete — January 21, 2008 @ 7:26 pm
Now that’s an interesting idea.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:30 pmRepublicans are savages and animals, really.
Comment by Lefty Patriot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
That’s why bigfoot lives in the woods instead of in civilization.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:33 pmWell….
Um…..
Yeah….
January 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pmState Department’s Marc Grossman in deep shit over outing Brewster Jennings and selling nuclear secrets to Turkey And Israel. FBI in massive coverup mode:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5582
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece
The Times’ article refers to an FBI case number (203A-WF-210023) referenced in an anonymous letter sent to The Liberty Coalition, a DC-based transpartisan civil and human rights watchdog organization. A subsequent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, asking for information referring to that case number, resulted in a denial from the FBI that such a case exists.
The letter describes, among other things, allegations that Grossman had warned officials at the Turkish embassy in DC of the existence of a CIA counter-proliferation operation using a “CIA cover company” by the name of “Brewster Jennings.” That company was a front used by covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, who was later outed by White House officials in the now-infamous CIA Leak case.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:36 pmMaybe we should try teaching English to everybody.
Comment by jb — January 21, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
Hello.. That’s what we do! Two years ago a Russsian speaker was added to my physics class. When I pointed out that I don’t speak Russsian and he didn’t speak English, Guidance said “Do the best you can”. He still did better than the mommy and daddy bought me a car before I even had a license crowd. U. S. English is a poorly thought out language which is absurdly complicated based on the fact that it is so dependent on the the contributions of so many other languages.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pmsorry to interrupt the food fight with evidence of an FBI coverup of a State department Official caught red handed committing treason.
as you were…Ociaoperative
January 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pmNow that’s an interesting idea.
Comment by jb — January 21, 2008 @ 7:30 pm
Thanx. Fair is fair. If we expect others to respect an “official language” we should do the same. If one wishes to talk to foreigners in their country? Learn the language. I keep getting this image of Chimpy trying to learn, German, French or Mandarin Chinese. And we think he sounds stupid in English?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:37 pmAnd we think he sounds stupid in English?
Comment by pete — January 21, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
W can speak English? When did this happen?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:41 pmBill Clinton drops off to sleep during MLK commemoration
What’s Billy Boy on these days??????????WOW!!
http://hotair.com/ archives/ 2008/ 01/ 21/ video-bill-clinton-drops-off-to-sleep-during-mlk-commemoration/
Comment by John Kerry — January 21, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
Wouldn’t you be tired after so much campaigning?
And stop derailing the thread.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:42 pmBill Clinton drops off to sleep during MLK commemoration
Comment by John Kerry — January 21, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
So?
January 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pmHELLO? TP? A story on this is CRITICAL! THE FBI DESTROYED THE ENTIRE FILE PERTAINING TO A MASSIVE INVESTIGATION OF THE SALE OF NUCLEAR SECRETS
Luke Ryland, assuredly the world’s foremost expert on the Edmonds case, writes tonight, on the FBI denial that any documents exist in reference to the specifically named case number:
The FBI’s comments demonstrate conclusively that either:
a) They are lying, or
b) They have destroyed the evidence of this multi-year investigation concerning the corruption of high-level US officials, the nuclear black market, money laundering and narcotics trafficking.
“It’s ironic,” Edmonds told us, “here is the FBI and DoJ in charge of investigating the CIA Torture Tape case and the missing White House emails. So who is going to investigate the FBI and DoJ if they have destroyed evidence, if that’s what they’ve done, because it looks like that’s what they have done.”
Without naming Grossman — as they also failed to do in their previous report two weeks ago — the Times reports on some of the letter’s specific allegations…
It claims the government official warned a Turkish member of the network that they should not deal with a company called Brewster Jennings because it was a CIA front company investigating the nuclear black market. The official’s warning came two years before Brewster Jennings was publicly outed when one of its staff, Valerie Plame, was revealed to be a CIA agent in a case that became a cause célèbre in the US.
The letter also makes reference to wiretaps of Turkish “targets†talking to [Pakistan's] ISI intelligence agents at the Pakistani embassy in Washington and recordings of “operatives†at the [American Turkish Council].
“We are all familiar with the cliche that ‘the cover-up is worse than the crime,’ but that is often nonsense,” Ryland writes tonight. “Just as in the CIA tape destruction case, here we have rational people making ‘rational’ decisions, not in the heat of the moment, to commit felonies by destroying evidence of treason amongst other crimes. The original crimes are much worse than the cover-up, and the guilty parties know it, that’s why they decided to destroy and cover up all of the evidence.”
He concludes by adding, “We have the crimes, we have the cover-ups, where are the consequence
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5582
January 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pmsorry to interrupt the food fight with evidence of an FBI coverup of a State department Official caught red handed committing treason.
as you were…Ociaoperative
Comment by plunger — January 21, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
No problem here, plunger. I do, often, read your posts. I come back later as time allows so, rarely, have the opportunity for a timely reply.
Keep fighting the good fight! But, just a hint, remember some folks don’t have high-speed internet connections. I had to use dial-up a few weeks back and loading long threads, with lengthy posts, was very frustrating.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:44 pmI can only imagine the hell your life must be, without anyone….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 21, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
I cannot imagine what your life is like without a soul.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pmIn an op-ed response being prepared by Daniel Ellsberg for publishing tomorrow by The BRAD BLOG, the Vietnam-era whistleblower offers these thoughts, in the wake of tonight’s Times story, and the shameful failure of the American media to cover this important story to date…
January 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pmFor the second time in two weeks, the entire U.S. press has let itself be scooped by Rupert Murdoch’s London Sunday Times on a dynamite story of criminal activities by corrupt U.S. officials promoting nuclear proliferation. But there is a worse journalistic sin than being scooped, and that is participating in a cover-up of information that demands urgent attention from the public, the U.S. Congress and the courts. For the last two weeks — one could say, for years — the major American media have been guilty of ignoring entirely the allegations of the courageous and highly credible source Sibel Edmonds, quoted in the London Times on January 6, 2008 in a front-page story that was front-page news in much of the rest of the world but was not reported in a single American newspaper or network.
No problem here, plunger. I do, often, read your posts. I come back later as time allows so, rarely, have the opportunity for a timely reply.
Keep fighting the good fight! But, just a hint, remember some folks don’t have high-speed internet connections. I had to use dial-up a few weeks back and loading long threads, with lengthy posts, was very frustrating.
Comment by pete — January 21, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Sorry Pete…but the shadow government uses high speed modems, and I feel it imperative to put this information where it can be read. On a low speed connection, I suspect you are less likely to click on lots of external links to read the balance of a story, so I’m not quite sure if I can help to save the Republic AND address your modem speed concerns at the same time.
I appreciate your support.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:49 pmJust look at your post! You don’t care about MLK, his legacy, all you want to do is make fun of someone that takes a NAP, something your PRESIDENT has been doing at VIRTUALLY EVERY WORLD FORUM for the LAST SEVEN YEARS! Not only doesn’t that MAKE YOU A HYPOCRITE, it makes you a SAD, STUPID LITTLE BIGOT! POOR PATHETIC TARD!
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 21, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
Not to mention their hero, Ronnie Rayguns, who used to doze off pretty much constantly for eight years as president. Personally, I think it’s important to position oneself away from prying eyes and cameras during long spells of sitting and listening, because dozing off is all too easy. I figure as long as the boss doesn’t catch me and I don’t snore, I’m good.
And, you’re right, at least Bill showed up. That’s more than one would ever expect from Bush or Cheney.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pmBill Clinton drops off to sleep during MLK commemoration
What’s Billy Boy on these days??????????WOW!! -JK
Funny you werent saying that when Cheney, or Reagan, was falling asleep
January 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pmAnd they were in OFFICE at the time!!
January 21st, 2008 at 7:53 pmEARTH TO TP – COME IN TP…
Secret FBI File Implicates High US Government Officials In Sale Of Nuclear Secrets To Pakistan And, Possibly al-Qaeda, Before 9/11.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/browse_thread/thread/92d00798acb19fb3
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece
Sunday Times (UK) – Secret FBI file 203A-WF-210023 implicates high US
January 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pmgovernment officials in sale of nuclear secrets to Pakistan and,
possibly al-Qaeda, before 9/11. Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI),
Pakistan’s spy agency, helped set up the Taliban and worked with Osama
bin-Laden and his religious zealots openly until 9/11. What American
nuclear secrets ISI received can be considered as being received by
ISI’s ally, Osama.
—-
From The Sunday Times
January 20, 2008
FBI Denies File Exposing Nuclear SECRETS THEFT
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece
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All Links at:
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/uk-times-official-documents-prove-fbi.html
UK Times: Official Documents
Prove FBI Lied to Protect US Official
The UK’s Sunday Times has another explosive article out tonight.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece
THE FBI has been accused of covering up a key case file
detailing evidence against corrupt government officials
and their dealings with a network stealing nuclear secrets.
The Times has obtained official documents which prove
that the FBI is lying about the existence of a counterintelligence
operation targeting high-level US officials and Turkish operatives.
The FBI’s comments demonstrate conclusively that either:
a) They are lying, or
b) They have destroyed the evidence of this multi-year investigation
concerning the corruption of high-level US officials,
the nuclear black market,
money laundering and
narcotics trafficking.
****
The revelations in the Times are also the first known incident
where official FBI documents have been leaked to the press
confirming the FBI’s counterintelligence operations
targeting Turkish operatives in US. According to the Times,
these operations have been taking place since 1996.
Destruction of Evidence?
The Times has obtained an official FBI document which confirms
the existence of the Turkish counter-intelligence operation,
including the official Case Number of the operation.
This case number, 203A-WF-210023, has been very tightly held
because it directly ties the Turkish operation to specific
documents and wiretaps which can then be used as evidence.
The FBI has, till recently, been very careful not to respond
to any requests that might disclose, confirm or deny
any information in this matter, however:
…the FBI responded to a freedom of information request for a file
of exactly the same number by claiming that it did not exist.
But The Sunday Times has obtained a document signed
by an FBI official showing the existence of the file.
With the FBI claiming that these documents don’t exist,
we must conclude either that they are demonstrably lying,
or that they have destroyed all the evidence.
Unfortunately for the FBI, we are aware of at least two other cases
where this operation was referenced, and those references
were documented outside the FBI. The first case was that of
former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds; her case was reported
by the Justice Department’s Inspector General,
as well as the Senate Judiciary Committee,
and the second case was that of former FBI Special Agent
Gilbert Graham, whose cases was also documented
in Congress and by the Inspector General.
If the FBI is telling the truth
January 21st, 2008 at 7:55 pmthat these documents do not (currently) exist,
then the FBI must have destroyed them.
He still did better than the mommy and daddy bought me a car before I even had a license crowd. U. S. English is a poorly thought out language which is absurdly complicated based on the fact that it is so dependent on the the contributions of so many other languages.
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
What I was trying to get said. My own English skills seem weak some days. W. probably has a car before he had a license and look how he “butcher” the language. Sorry, no disrespect to butchers intended, except Bit FAT Foot.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:56 pmComment by John Kerry — January 21, 2008 @ 7:39 pm
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you didn’t see cheney sleeping through a national security meeting just last month, jk? or bush sleeping while the Saudi’s planned and carried out 9/11? very selective vision, there, jk. And since MLK is quite dea nad buried, I’m sure he didn’t mind if WJC caught a few winks. It certainly doesn’t rise to the level of incompetence the bush administration demonstrates daily.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:57 pmIsrael may have to take military action against Iran: Bolton
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Israel_may_have_to_take_military_ac_01212008.html
Arrest Bolton.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:58 pmArrest Bolton.
Comment by plunger — January 21, 2008 @ 7:58 pm
and hang him. he’s more dangerous than Osama.
January 21st, 2008 at 7:59 pmWH e-mails missing on key days in court battle over Cheney’s energy task force
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/WH_emails_missing_on_key_days_0121.html
That’s because they reveal a conspiracy to attack the United States on 9/11 to serve as the essential pretext for the acquisition of Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Syria – for big oil and Israel.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:02 pmBEFORE 9/11 – CHENEY CREATED A PLAN TO SELL OFF IRAQ’S OIL.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm
BUT HOW COULD THAT BE – WHY PLAN SOMETHING YOU DON’T CONTROL?
STOP.
THINK.
REMEMBER THE ENERGY MEETINGS WITH KEN LAY AND OTHERS?
WHAT WAS THE BIG SECRET THEY WERE KEEPING?
THE INVASION OF IRAQ WAS THE BIG SECRET THEY WERE KEEPING.
THE OTHER SECRET WAS THE PRETEXT.
THE PRETEXT FOR THE INVASION OF IRAQ.
THE PRETEXT.
THE PRETEXT.
9/11.
CHENEY DID IT.
PNAC members became deeply entrenched in many powerful and strategic positions once George Bush was installed as President. Clearly, the plan could now become a reality. But, how?
Here’s how: The PNAC plan openly called for a “transformation” of the U.S. military into an imperialistic force of global domination. That was more easily said than done. The American people would have to go along with the idea, and that was a problem, but not an insurmountable one. Read the next line very, very carefully:
“The process of transformation,” the plan said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event–like a new Pearl Harbor.”
Let that sink in: like a new Pearl Harbor…like a new Pearl Harbor….like 9/11. Is there any question that 9/11 constituted a catastrophic and catalyzing event very similar to Pearl Harbor? Is there any question that the PNAC plan for war against Iraq became feasible only because of 9/11? Is there any question at all that PNAC got its new Pearl Harbor exactly at the right moment in history?
They effectively pulled off a coup d’Etat, by passing Congressional scrutiny, installing the military industrial fascist government they have today. Allied with the globalist elite they are destroying America and the Constitution.
ROLL THEM BACK!
January 21st, 2008 at 8:05 pmBush’s foreign policy is predicated on where the Middle East’s dwindling oil supply is located and whether or not an oil-rich country is a threat to Israel. Only a complete dunce would bother to disagree with that. Read this -
“They [the Bush cabal] have been conspiring, working, maneuvering and lying since at least 1989 during the George H W Bush Administration. While things were heating up around Iraq, Kuwait theft of Iraq oil, and leading up to Desert Shield, then Desert Storm, the GHWB Administration implemented another “shield” in the form of Operation Steppe Shield. It was targeted at Kazakhstan and was named for the vast oil and gas reserves in the Kazakh Steppe region of Kazakhstan….That is where Dick Cheney got himself appointed to the Kazakhstan Oil Advisory Board and later…the book titled The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew Brzezinski came out in 1997…when the 20 Year War Plan was [first] conceived and targeted…the Caspian Basin, and the CIA renditions started.”
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/raytheon-connection-to-9-11
January 21st, 2008 at 8:07 pmHe had a dream, now so can you!
January 21st, 2008 at 8:23 pmAre you embarassed by the pitiful language skills and respect for language which epitomizes both the youth and adults of the States? Do you cringe when people say “Drive Safe†or can not figure out to from two, from too? or effect from affect?
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
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Pssh…. There, their, and they’re are like mysteries to most “literate” Americans.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pmComment by deebaser — January 21, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
“irregardless” I am sure the chances of you failing English is “unpossible”.
best-
January 21st, 2008 at 8:30 pmI think Romney is wasting his time courting the hispanic vote, the Mormon [Jaredite] religion states that Lamanites [dark skinned people in the new world [America] are cursed for their rebelliousness, and that is why they are dark skinned according to the book of Mormon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1mFdO1wB08
January 21st, 2008 at 8:36 pmComment by Xisithrus — January 21, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
What does the Mormom scripture have to say about those weird “orange” people, mostly women, I see coming out of those tanning places? It is so Star Trek!! Blue Chicks, Chicks with antennae, Telepathic chicks… It’s all good. I just have this issue with the Orange chicks…
(Sorry ladies for my use of chicks)
January 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pmor effect from affect?
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
I avoid those words and I’ve been blessed with a decent education. There’s just some sneaky about them.
Comment by gummitch — January 21, 2008 @ 7:25 pm
The Country has been greatly affected by the idiocy of GW Bush. The effects of his Presidency have been far reaching and devastating to not only to citizens of the US, but to the citizens of the World. We are all affected by this fascist regime.
Sorry couldn’t resist. ;)
January 21st, 2008 at 8:45 pmWayne gets one of those esteem building stars on his homework. Affects yield effects. Anybody want to tackle independent variables versus dependent variables? I am not sure why but that too seems too tough for the self esteem driven suburbia youth
January 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pmComment by Xisithrus — January 21, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
At the same time we are supposed to be some lost tribe of Israel too.
January 21st, 2008 at 8:54 pmGood story, too bad modern genetics has proven that story to be fiction.
(Sorry ladies for my use of chicks)
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
Chick is fine. So is babe. Just don’t call me “ma’am.”
The use of the word “lady” is an assumption on your part. ;)
January 21st, 2008 at 8:55 pmIndependent variables are the conditions manipulated by a researcher in order to investigate their effects on particular outcomes (possible behavioral changes), which are called dependent variables. :-)
January 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pmZooey gets extra stars just because I like her. Why is that so freaking difficult. Some texts now use the terms “manipulated” and “measured” variables. China has more “smart” kids than we have kids. Welcome to the future O. Bigfoot etal!
January 21st, 2008 at 9:07 pmIndependent variables are the conditions manipulated by a researcher in order to investigate their effects on particular outcomes (possible behavioral changes), which are called dependent variables. :-)
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
Someone is fresh from meth lab. I mean, sorry, math lab.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:11 pmComment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
hehe
January 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pmSomeone is fresh from meth lab. I mean, sorry, math lab.
Comment by gummitch — January 21, 2008 @ 9:11 pm
Psychology experiment stuff. ;)
January 21st, 2008 at 9:16 pmThanks for the extra stars, dbadass! :-)
January 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pmPsychology experiment stuff. ;)
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Do we really want to know which condition is the independent variable in this experiment? Charm only goes so far you know!
January 21st, 2008 at 9:19 pmU.Yeti wants to require everyone to speak English so he can tell when his gardeners are calling him the dufus he really is.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:20 pmDo we really want to know which condition is the independent variable in this experiment? Charm only goes so far you know!
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
Heh. HIPPA privacy rules…no can do. ;)
January 21st, 2008 at 9:22 pmWhat does the Mormom scripture have to say about those weird “orange†people, mostly women,
Pagan pseudo-sun worshippers!!
January 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pmHeh. HIPPA privacy rules…no can do. ;)
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:22 pm
Than I suppose I better go into this as a “double blind”
January 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pmGotta wonder if the trolls on the site could be used in a psych experiment. Would be nice to know they were useful for some purpose.
Other than verbal compost.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pmU.Yeti wants to require everyone to speak English so he can tell when his gardeners are calling him the dufus he really is.
Comment by RUCerious — January 21, 2008 @ 9:20 pm
You’d think he could understand that by observing body language, facial expressions….hand gestures.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pmIndependent variables are the conditions manipulated by a researcher in order to investigate their effects on particular outcomes (possible behavioral changes), which are called dependent variables. :-)
Comment by Zooey
Why not just call them variable variables randomly varied?
January 21st, 2008 at 9:26 pmthe Mormon [Jaredite] religion states that Lamanites [dark skinned people in the new world [America] are cursed for their rebelliousness, and that is why they are dark skinned according to the book of Mormon.
Comment by Xisithrus — January 21, 2008 @ 8:36 pm
No, that is why Native Americans have dark skin.
Black people are supposedly black because they are the decedents of Cain.
“Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization.†History of the Church, Volume 5, pages 218-219 — Joseph Smith, first Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints.
Joseph Fielding Smith: Tenth Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints:
“Ham, through Egyptus, continued the curse which was placed upon the seed of Cain. Because of that curse this dark race was separated and isolated from all the rest of Adam’s posterity before the flood, and since that time the same condition has continued, and they have been ‘despised’ among all people.’ This doctrine did not originate with President Brigham Young but was taught by the Prophet Joseph Smith….we all know it is due to his teachings that the negro today is barred from the Priesthood.†The Way to Perfection, pages 110-111
But hey, what do I know, I’m just a rebellious Lamanite.
**sorry, but these bigots really get me riled. And yeah, it is for personal reasons from being subjected to their bigotry.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:27 pmThan I suppose I better go into this as a “double blindâ€
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 9:24 pm
Things are a little awkward when both people are blind-folded…
January 21st, 2008 at 9:27 pmWhy not just call them variable variables randomly varied?
Comment by Xisithrus — January 21, 2008 @ 9:26 pm
Because that’s only the independent variable. We have to call the dependent variable something. ;)
January 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pmThings are a little awkward when both people are blind-folded…
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
I figure they will feel their way through it
January 21st, 2008 at 9:31 pmI figure they will feel their way through it
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
lmao
January 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pm**sorry, but these bigots really get me riled. And yeah, it is for personal reasons from being subjected to their bigotry.
Comment by Wayne — January 21, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
I’ve seen black Mormons. I’ll never figure that out. Of course, I can’t figure out female Christians, so whatever…
January 21st, 2008 at 9:34 pmI figure they will feel their way through it
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
Heh.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:36 pmBecause that’s only the independent variable. We have to call the dependent variable something. ;)
Comment by Zooey
Sounds varied interesting. Heh
January 21st, 2008 at 9:38 pmhttp://www.watch-movies.net/movies/idiocracy/
Am watching this flick, reminds me of today….=)
January 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pmI’ve seen black Mormons. I’ll never figure that out. Of course, I can’t figure out female Christians, so whatever…
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:34 pm
There are Native Mormons too.
How high up the chain of the Church do they go?
There was once a Native American on the Council of Fifty,but he resigned because of the bigotry he saw still within the Church, that was in the 80s when he quit.
Like too many churches, they prey on those who accept what they are told and look no further.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:47 pmThe only defense people have against these “Religions” is to care enough about themselves to educate themselves
Ironically this set of theories largely come from Republicans, that hold a Fascist/Aristocratic view that the masses are too stupid to vote =RHF
Must be why Coulter put the wrong address on her voter registration….Bwah
January 21st, 2008 at 9:57 pmRepublicans, that hold a Fascist/Aristocratic view that the masses are too stupid to vote or make decisions about government
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 21, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Thats why Republicans try to cut almost anything that deals with education. Unless its for abstinence indoctrination, that is.
January 21st, 2008 at 9:58 pmThe ad is obviously targeted at the ex-pat Cuban and Venezuelan communities, not your average Latin American immigrant. These communities are fanatically elitist and far right on the political spectrum. They will only vote for the most bellicose, militaristic, nationalistic and elitist of candidates. They don’t care if they’re treated as second class citizens in the US. What they want is an imperial American that will work to destabilize and overthrow the burgeoning democracies and popular will in Latin American so they can go back and reclaim their former oligarchical powers from the masses.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:06 pmThe only defense people have against these “Religions†is to care enough about themselves to educate themselves
Comment by Wayne — January 21, 2008 @ 9:47 pm
That could be a vicious cycle, couldn’t it?
January 21st, 2008 at 10:09 pm“Than I suppose I better go into this as a “double blindâ€
January 21st, 2008 at 10:10 pmComment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 9:24 pm”
oops – shouldn’t that be ‘then I suppose…’
If my daughter reads this thread does she get extra credit for the English lesson. Don’t worry O Bigtoot, she already speaks English but has been taking Spanish since 1st grade. Which is good because she will never be insecure about her intelligence the way you are.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:15 pmThen is an adverb of time while than is a conjunction of comparison. “Irrespective” you too receive two star stickers to give to “whom” ever you wish
January 21st, 2008 at 10:17 pmRepublicans are inclusive as long as you look like them, talk like them, think like them, worship like them and share their same economic bracket. Otherwise, you can take a hike.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:23 pmThat could be a vicious cycle, couldn’t it?
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
It has ever been.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:23 pm“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act†— George Orwell
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YAWN !!
Must be a slooow night at the Zoo (per usual).
Oh well, I guess everyone wants an audience.
Toodles
January 21st, 2008 at 10:53 pmI’m all for an official language, as long as it’s Vietnamese.
Comment by RUCerious
I also agree with trying other tongues.
I would like Charlize Theron’s very much.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:54 pmJuan ~! Nice…
January 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pmMust be a slooow night at the Zoo (per usual).
Comment by alphainfinityomega
Yeah, nobody can handle two explorer window’s open… *yawn*
January 21st, 2008 at 10:55 pmToodles.
January 21st, 2008 at 10:56 pm“Ask a terrorist who they want in The White House. They will say 100%, a democrat. I wonder why that is Lefty.”
Really, Southern Man? Last election there was a bin Laden tape right before the election touting Democrats. The CIA said it was a ploy to help get Republicans elected. But I will take YOUR word for it…
January 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pmI am ok with learning English to become citizens. I would expand that to current citizens. If you can’t speak the language intelligently we will find a nice icy tundra for you. Sorry, bigfoot, but you will be going to Siberia now.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:06 pmIf you can’t speak the language without saying y’all you are gone!! Guess we will have fewer trailer dwelling Republican voters.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm“It is conservatives who wish for all to have equal opportunity, regardless of race or creed.”
My GOD, what planet do you live on?!?!?!
January 21st, 2008 at 11:10 pm“Mitt Romney’s father George was born in Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907, his wife Anna, with Mitt’s father George in tow, fled across the U.S. border by train (with no apparent delay or search at the border), and entered the US as ILLEGAL MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS in 1912.”
RHF, don’t forget the reason grandpa Romney left the US. He was running away from that pesky one man, one woman law.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:14 pmAh, the key phrases that give us away, MA…
January 21st, 2008 at 11:16 pm“(Sorry ladies for my use of chicks)
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 8:43 pm
Chick is fine. So is babe. Just don’t call me “ma’am.â€
The use of the word “lady†is an assumption on your part. ;)”
How about “broad”? :)
January 21st, 2008 at 11:17 pm“Things are a little awkward when both people are blind-folded…
Comment by Zooey — January 21, 2008 @ 9:27 pm”
And handcuffed. It sounds all kinky and stuff but the handcuffee is just plain lazy!!
January 21st, 2008 at 11:19 pmI’d refer to Zooey as an intellect of the female persuasion.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:19 pmAnd remember that ma’am is the contraction for madam.
I don’t think Zooey likes to be cast as someone who runs a house of ill repute… [:>}
“If my daughter reads this thread does she get extra credit for the English lesson. Don’t worry O Bigtoot, she already speaks English but has been taking Spanish since 1st grade. Which is good because she will never be insecure about her intelligence the way you are.
Comment by Shayne — January 21, 2008 @ 10:15 pm”
Congrats on being proactive. I had French in my Junior and Senior year and all I remember is Tete de Merde. You have to start early.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:22 pm“Ah, the key phrases that give us away, MA…
Comment by RUCerious — January 21, 2008 @ 11:16 pm”
When I think “toodles” I think incompetent SF lawyer that I would never in a thousand years.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:25 pmErr…never hire, I should say. Or do, for that matter.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pmCongrats on being proactive. I had French in my Junior and Senior year and all I remember is Tete de Merde. You have to start early.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 21, 2008 @ 11:22 pm
I want mine to start some sort of musical instrument training but they are already so over extended. Still I think learning to read music is a quality brain based activity which along with the fine motor skills needed to master an instrument can only benefit them both. The local elementary intoduces this option to them not till the 5th grade. I guess it would be easier if i wasn’t “weekend” dad
January 21st, 2008 at 11:33 pmI don’t have my boy learning languages but he is playing the violin (he doesn’t like it much). And, yeah, he is in 5th and this was his first chance to get into anything other than soccer.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:37 pmSorry to disappoint you, republicans hate facts, but I’m not MA..
But I knew using the word Toodles would make you and a few other of the ‘regulars’ lick the Cheetos stain from your fingers and start typing.
You ‘regulars’ are sooo predictable.
Toodles
January 21st, 2008 at 11:39 pmToodles
January 21st, 2008 at 11:40 pmYou are special, MA :)
January 21st, 2008 at 11:41 pmWhat’s wrong with Cheetos?
January 21st, 2008 at 11:44 pmJuan, she thinks people are eating Cheetos and masturbating over her comments…it is MA.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:46 pmWhat’s wrong with masturbating?
January 21st, 2008 at 11:50 pmNot exactly on topic, but from msnbc finance page tonight…
After a major sell-off in Asia and Europe today, U.S. stocks could be headed for an ugly open on Tuesday.
Some analysts believe the Dow Jones industrials may drop substantially at the open. Terry Bedford, a Toronto hedge fund manager, thinks a 400-point drop on the Dow is not out of the question.
Global markets are in a panic, Bedford said today.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:52 pm“What’s wrong with masturbating?
Comment by dbadass — January 21, 2008 @ 11:50 pm”
You misunderstand. Masturbating while reading MA would be self-abuse.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:02 am“You mean that one-man/one-woman institution of marriage that’s ALWAYS been that way, the republicans keep whining about? ;)
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 21, 2008 @ 11:51 pm”
Bingo.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 am“Ah, poor little nerd girl is SO DEPRIVED of attention, she has to HANG OUT with PEOPLE she CLAIMS TO LOATHE! How’s THAT for PATHETIC? ;)
Comment by republicans hate facts — January 21, 2008 @ 11:55 pm”
Lot’s of women date guys they can’t stand. MA is a thrill-seeker.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 amWhat’s wrong with masturbating?
Comment by dbadass
With Cheetos could be irritating…
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:08 amWith Cheetos could be irritating…
Comment by Juan C. — January 22, 2008 @ 12:08 am
Um, I guess I should go back and read the comments I missed….
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 amHehe, Zoo, maybe…
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 am“Considering how many lies you tell, on a daily basis, I simply don’t believe you.”
Are you kidding? You are a Rush Limbaugh talking point machine. How is it possible you are throwing stones?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 amO BigDeliveryBoy is jealous of Lefty Patriot being a professor, because he drives a Schwan’s truck.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:25 amIn other words, you are simply too stupid to be a teacher, and your general attitude and demeanor would drive students away from you in droves. Sitting through a class of yours would be excruciating.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:19 am
He really gets under your skin, huh? Obviously, he’s doing his job very well.
Shouldn’t you be off playing with your meat?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:25 amWhat meat?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:26 amDried up old meat?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 amComment by republicans hate facts — January 22, 2008 @ 12:31 am
Are you making that up, or are you revealing Bigfoot’s name here?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 am“Basically, if all of your arguments are as poorly researched as your supposed research of me, then it really is telling of the ignorance most liberals force themselves to live with.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:32 am”
…says the guy who never cites anything. (sigh).
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 amDon’t you remember old Kev, Zoo?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 amI suppose he is pretty forgetable. Typical dittohead.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 amBut you can keep thinking so if you so choose. It’s the standard MO of the liberal to ignore facts when faced with them.
Basically, if all of your arguments are as poorly researched as your supposed research of me, then it really is telling of the ignorance most liberals force themselves to live with.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:32 am
Pretty ironic that you accuse Lefty Patriot of lies when you apparently cannot make a single comment without lying about liberals. You really need help, bigfoot, although maybe that kind of help isn’t available out in the back country.
Pathetic generalizations are your stock in trade; I hope the meat you’re selling isn’t so obviously past its best-by date.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 amBy a Porsche, Bigfoot…errr…tiny :)
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 amDon’t you remember old Kev, Zoo?
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 22, 2008 @ 12:35 am
Refresh my memory…
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 amBuy
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 amI can’t. He was one of the guys that was around when that 70 year old Korean veteran who loved beating his wife was around. It was awhile ago.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 amNice research boys. O Tiny, I think you have been outed.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 am“It’s no wonder it takes so many of you to gang up on lil’ ole’ me…you are completely outgunned!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:40 am”
Waaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!! I am thinking you have tears running down your face right now. These guys are owning your fake, whiney little chickenhawk ass.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:42 amIt’s no wonder it takes so many of you to gang up on lil’ ole’ me…you are completely outgunned!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:40 am
Gang up? You’re pathetic. You show up at a progressive blog and proceed to generalize about liberals and insult everyone else in the room and then define it as “ganging up” when everyone agrees you’re a dick. Like I wrote earlier, the only way you can ever “win” an argument is by building your straw men.
You couldn’t actually “win” an argument with anyone who has passed the third grade, bigfoot. Seriously, nine year olds have a better grasp of logic.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 amIn other words, you are simply too stupid to be a teacher, and your general attitude and demeanor would drive students away from you in droves. Sitting through a class of yours would be excruciating.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:19 am
I’d let Lefty Patriot teach my daughter before I’d let her eat meat I’d bought from you. You live in a trailer, needless to say it’s not the best school district in the country. And you’re judging others as teachers. From what I’ve seen of your kind of neighborhood you’d be lucky if the teachers in your district had a college degree. Everything they know they probably learned from the bible.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 amAnd that stuff about driving a Schwann’s truck…more evidence of the liberal’s complete lack of fact.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:40 am
Heh. It’s interesting that you use the CORRECT spelling of Schwann’s. :D
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 amRHF, Jeff Gannon DOES NOT deliver pizza.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 amComment by republicans hate facts — January 22, 2008 @ 12:40 am
Seriously, I know BigBoobie is a total jerk, but revealing private or personal information is against the terms of use.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 amBe fair RHF, Big DOES deliver the meat. Just ask Rove.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 amComment by republicans hate facts — January 22, 2008 @ 12:50 am
From the Terms of Use:
You agree not to:
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 am• Post any private information, or otherwise harvest, collect or disclose information, about another Blogger without his or her express consent.
Not if he is with KKKarl. Karl is a catcher :)
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 amSeriously, I know BigBoobie is a total jerk, but revealing private or personal information is against the terms of use.
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2008 @ 12:48 am
That’s what I suggested a week or two ago, but justaskin claimed that anyone who posted personal information on a website or blog clearly had no expectation of privacy. And if a troll makes a claim, well, it must be true. Right?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 amZooey, that would depend on whether said person posted that private information himself.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 amBut he doesn’t own that butcher he’s just the delivery boy. He just delivers the meat and I’m sure his wife would tell us that’s the only time he does.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 amDon’t you mean “wife”?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:55 am“That being said, if you want to keep claiming I am “Kevinâ€, please, continue to do so. Liberals are known to live in their own little fantasy worlds. If it works for you, go with it, man!
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:54 am”
Better a fantasy world than a conservative economy, eh? kthxbai.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 amI thought bigfoot claimed to be running his own business, but I confess I don’t pay much attention to his blather. I’m not surprised to learn that he was exaggerating his success. Being a clerk in the local Safeway is a perfectly honorable profession. Hell, sweeping up the back room at the Safeway is, as well.
It’s just that the puffing up of the resume is kind of creepy.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 amZooey, that would depend on whether said person posted that private information himself.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 22, 2008 @ 12:54 am
We’re leaving ourselves wide open to all sorts of shit from trolls. Do we really want to go that way?
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 amWe’re in a fantasy world and you’re still supporting Bushco. If it’s not fantasy it’s just blatant stupidity.
January 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 amThat’s what I suggested a week or two ago, but justaskin claimed that anyone who posted personal information on a website or blog clearly had no expectation of privacy. And if a troll makes a claim, well, it must be true. Right?
Comment by gummitch — January 22, 2008 @ 12:54 am
Well, if justasking said it, it must be true.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 am“We’re leaving ourselves wide open to all sorts of shit from trolls. Do we really want to go that way?
Comment by Zooey — January 22, 2008 @ 12:59 am”
How do you figure. A couple of people are speculating that this guy is a liar. I don’t see anybody posting his address and phone number.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 am“If you want your daughter to learn to be the hate-monger LP is…well, everyone has the right to reproduce, I guess, but some folks parenting skills are questionable at best.”
You clearly don’t have kids or you wouldn’t say that. Hell, no woman would mother your deformed spawn.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 amI’d rather have my kids tought from the bible, any day.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 1:00 am
Of course you would, it doesn’t have all that icky evolution stuff you people are so afraid of. You don’t have any children so what’s with this my kids stuff. Just more embellishing.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 amDo you know that god ripped the child from a woman’s womb? Sounds like abortion to me.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 amComment by republicans hate facts — January 22, 2008 @ 12:59 am
Pay attention to THIS PART:
You agree not to:
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 am• Post any private information, or otherwise harvest, collect or disclose information, about another Blogger without his or her express consent.
You’d teach your child, if you had one, the bible but obvioiusly you never learned anything about Christ or how he believed you should treat others. You Republicans all pay lip service to him and cherry pick the bible to use the part where you get what you want and try to deprive others from having anything.
Regardless, you live in a trailer and support the party of haves. And you think you can tell us anything about anything. What a joke.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 amZooey, if someone harvested facts by googling the comment of another poster…that is pretty much expressed consent. If you make a comment about your personal life and somebody proves you are lying…I don’t see the infraction. In the legal profession they would say “You opened the door, counselor…”
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 am“I’d be careful about touting someone’s “nice researchâ€, if you care anything for your cred.”
Yeah, Kevin, as opposed to your cred. Thanks for the advise.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:10 amHow do you figure. A couple of people are speculating that this guy is a liar. I don’t see anybody posting his address and phone number.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 22, 2008 @ 1:01 am
Do you really think that if the trolls started trying to find our information, they’d stop at posting general items?
I’m off to bed. Take it easy, guys.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 amBetter yet, maybe I’ll just take a ride over to Durango with a few printed out screenshots…
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 1:09 am
Oooh, what a tough guys, you’re really scaring us now. How was he slandered exactly. Did we accuse him of selling tainted meat? You trying to understand the law is even funnier than you trying to understand politics.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 am“Maybe I’ll give him a call myself and point out were he’s being slandered here on TP…that might be an interesting turn of events, eh?”
You cannot be slandered on a website, retard…oops, I may have libeled you!!!! Or not.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 amI didn’t think so, RHF, until I heard Bigfoot expounding on slander.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 amAnyone know what the punishment would be for not speaking English once it’s declared our only language? Would speaking arabic land you in Guantanemo? Would speaking Pig-Latin be a misdemeanor? Just curious how these racists – I mean Republicans – plan on enforcing their hatred – I mean American†Prideâ„¢.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 amI’d love to hear an attorney bring up a case of slander against “Bigfoot.” That’d be priceless!
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 amDipshit, it would be libel. And you would have to prove the statement to be untrue. And you would have to prove it hurt your reputation. And since you and your alter-ego, Kevin are anonymous you can’t prove individual damage. And if you own a blog you could be considered a public entity…then you would have to prove malice…in other words you would have to prove it hurt your ablility to make a living. So, moron, I am not to scared.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:28 am““You cannot be slandered on a website, retard…oops, I may have libeled you!!!! Or not.
Comment by Sabyen91 — January 22, 2008 @ 1:12 amâ€
You’d better check your “factsâ€.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 1:25 am”
Der, slander is spoken.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:30 amThe court will now begin proceedings int he case of “Bigfoot V. Republicans Hate Facts.” Cue laughter from the jury and snickers from the bench followed by headlines the next day of “Bigfoot Spotted In Courtroom.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:30 amBiggoof listens to the likes of Limbaugh and O’Reilly tell bald faced lies about people in the public eye every day and then he thinks we’re going to be sued for slander or libel. You don’t even have any idea how dumb you are to you Bigtoot?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 am“Mr. Republican’s Hate Facts, do you swear upon the Bible to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God.”
RHF: “Well, in our rising Theocratic nation I often find myself swearing because of the Bible and God doesn’t seem to be helping much.”
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 amOh, I forgot to mention, you would have to prove you had a good reputation in the first place.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:41 amYeah, those damn activist judges are really destroying the the fabric of society and turning us away from the guiding word of the Bible by making that stuff illegal. How dare they go against the word of God!
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:41 amUgh, 6 more good little Catholics. Yuk.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 am*oops, that was meant for RHF’s reply to my previous comment. Sorry for the error.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 amTrying to outproduce all those dirty Mexicans all by yourself?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 amHe’s just helping John Gibson reclaim an Anglo majority. He’s a noble soldier in the fight to keep the nation white.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:47 amI’d rather have my kids tought from the bible, any day.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 1:00 am
i think you mean ‘taught’ – might want to brush up on your english there, o.biggy
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 amHas Romney ever been sincere once during this campaign? I don’t think so. If you want fewer illegal aliens, prosecute the businessmen who hire them. If they cannot get a job they will stop coming. Very simple. Clinton did this a little. Reagan, GHWB, and GWB virtually none. Republicans want wages to be low. Illegal immigration makes wages low for everyone. This is why Caesar Chavez was opposed to illegal immigration in 1968.
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:58 amYou’ve said previously that you personally didn’t have any children of your own. So were you lying then or are you lying now. And since you lie about this why should we believe anything you say.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:02 amNow your going to split hairs on whether your trailer is a motor home or a trailer. Like we really care. As somebody said, you can take the trash out of the trailer …
And you think we’re the ones making idiots out of ourselves. How pathetic.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 amSorry Shayne…you need to lay off the pipe. I’ve never said that I didn’t have any kids. You must have been dreaming about me again….
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 2:12 am
Gee I believe you’re guilty of libel. I’ll have to get my attorney on it in the morning.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 am# 45 Mitt Romney Dad was a US citizen when his family came back to the USA. If your grandfather was a US citizen for 5 years you can claim Us citizenship.
I sure at the time they had nothing like a “green card” and a uscis that could not do its job” anyway.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 amReading comprehension issues? As I said in my previous post, do you think this is about what kind of home you live in? No it isn’t. It’s the fact that you act like trailer trash, get it. Do I need to draw you a diagram or do you understand that now. I writing as simply as I can so you can comprehend that we think you are not that bright and that nothing you say to us is going to make one bit of difference. If you want to waste your time here do so. We’ll just treat you with the disdain we do all neocrooks.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 amAnd if you had read my earlier posts you would have seen where I said I didn’t believe you owned that butcher that you just delivered meat out of your truck. And we get your kind of shady meat delivery guys in our neighborhood and we call the police on them to get rid of them as quickly as possible.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 amIf you want your daughter to learn to be the hate-monger LP is…well, everyone has the right to reproduce, I guess, but some folks parenting skills are questionable at best.
I’d rather have my kids tought from the bible, any day.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 1:00 am
yes, keep them ignorant and afraid, like you are, and teach them to hate, like you do. then send them off to war for oil, in your place. You’re the best argument there is against religious education, bigfoot; your ignorance and bigotry are legendary, and 8your cowardice and refusal to fight for your country are the hallmarks of cultist cowards. Muslim extremists have far more courage and faith than you will ever have. it’s the only real difference between them and your kind of hateful coward. But you both thrive on ignorance.and you both hate progress and civiliation, preferring to dwell in the fear those different from you.
January 22nd, 2008 at 2:56 amComment by Shayne
ATTENTION ALL ‘REGULARS’
ATTENTION ALL ‘REGULARS’
Drunk blogging is not allowed on T.P..
You have your own special blog called a zoo for that.
It’s a known fact that monkeys and elephants get drunk, and you prove that everyday.
Friends, don’t let friends blog drunk !!
∞
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:10 amBarmaid Shayne is a good one to talk about someone ‘brushing up on their English’.
Just last night she/it used ‘hear’ for ‘here’.
What a greasy drunk hypocrite dope.
∞
January 22nd, 2008 at 3:29 am“English needs to be the language that is spoken in America. We cannot be a bilingual nation like Canada.†[3/07]
Why? It hurts in your peabrain?
January 22nd, 2008 at 5:52 amComment by JT — January 21, 2008 @ 4:08 pm
Try handing out copies of the Communist Manifesto or the Coran in front of the White House and see what happens. Or stay half an hour with a turban there. See how quickly comes a cop asking what are you doing, and asking firmly to come with him.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 amHe would have to have a Spanish-language ad in order to tell the people this:
Escuche todo usted mexicanos ilegales. Ustedes deben aprender a hablar inglés.
Comment by Art — January 21, 2008 @ 4:50 pm
The problem is Spanish speaking people will not understand what the f#ck is saying if he says so.
January 22nd, 2008 at 6:15 amYou’ve been to my website? Do tell! Since I don’t have a website. Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 12:40 am
o.biggie is correct – i logged on to http://www.imanassclown.com and couldn’t find him
and #434 alpha – it was me who suggested biggie should brush up on his english,not shayne – check the spelling – maybe you and biggles can work together on your literacy problems – you’ll get there!! – keep at it!!
January 22nd, 2008 at 7:22 amRead your bible, LP. It will teach you how to be a man.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — January 22, 2008 @ 3:11 am
How so? It certainly didn’t work for a coward like you.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:17 amHe is just trying to reach, and get his message across to a segment of our population that does not speak english. He still believes in an english spoken American society. A lot of the people who don’t speak english now, will eventually learn, so talk to them now. I think your scared of Romney. Why all the pickiness? — Southern Man
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Gee…maybe because it’s blatantly hypocritical, self-serving, and suggests that he’s not willing to stand by his own principles?!?
I’m not saying that Democrats are never hypocritical and self-serving, because they are — hello, welcome to politics!! — but that doesn’t mean that I can’t call it when I see it or have no right to criticize it. Romney’s approval of a bilingual campaign ads when he himself has gone on the record as an opponent of a bilingual society effectively says “I’ll cater to Spanish speakers just long enough to get them to vote for me — but not once I’m in the White House.” Is he the only politician to do such a thing? No, of course not…but that doesn’t mean that it’s somehow OK just because everyone does it. Part of this has to do with principles. Someone who truly believes that something is important or right continues to defend that position even when it’s inconvenient. Someone who readily sacrifices what they believe for the sake of expediency only proves that they have no real principles, which basically means that the only thing they really believe in is self-interest. It might not be so bad if this were the only issue on which Romney has flip-flopped…but it’s not.
As much as I disliked Tancredo, I’ll give him this much…he likewise is an opponent of a bilingual society, but at least he was prepared to stand up for his principles by refusing to participate in a bilingual debate. Did it cost him? You tell me…all I know for certain is that he’s withdrawn from the race, but it’s not impossible that a lack of success in gaining the Latino vote may have played at least some role in that decision.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 amStill having that reading comprehension problem, bert? get your mother to read this to you: you’re irrelevant.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:49 amWe cannot be a bilingual nation like Canada.â€
Mutt Romney
What’s so hard to understand about that, bert? Take your head out of your rectum for a change.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 amWhy are you rightards so agraid of other laguages, bert? Is it because your brains don’t have the capacity for learning? Everybody already knows that you’re all idiot throwbacks to the Pleistocene Era, don’t be afraid. We’ll continue to send you your welfare.
January 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 amPersonally, I am still rather amazed so many of you take so much time out of your lives talking about lil’ ole’ me. I’m only one person, but if you add up the man hours you folks waste trying to get your digs into me, it’s really astounding.
Comment by O. Bigfoot
it is…….just wrong…
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 amWhat if we do get a war-hungry hypocrite like Romney in office? Would Americans opt to move to Canada? I heard Canada was ramping up its immigration centers in expectation of another wave of “Blue Staters” in the event of a Republican victory: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 amIn the independent film “Blue State,” the protagonist does exactly that. He decides to flee the United States after another republican victory in 2004, due to strong liberal ideals: http://www.bluestate.com
Wow, there were a lot of bored TP regulars here yesterday playing with trolls. Why do you do that? Do you think you are ever going to penetrate the brick skulls of SM and BigFootInMouth?
Oh well, TP can brag that they had a thread that garnered 400+ responses. No matter that a majority of them were trolls and people playing Whack a Troll.
I firmly believe that TP is doing nothing about the troll problem here so that they can brag about their numbers. I would like to financially support TP but won’t do it until they get the troll problem under control.
January 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 amInterestingly enough, when you translate it with Babelfish from Spanish to French to German to English, it translates as I am memo Romney and approve of this report. I do this in reverse with all of Bush’s transcripts to make them readable.
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 amLAS CUCARACHAS ENTRAM, PERO NON SALEN
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 am(the cockroaches get in, but can’t get out!)
doesn’t our first amendment guarantee the right of free speech? Or is it the right of free speech, but only English. Why shouldn’t we all be forced to speak Algonquin, or Lakota, or Mayan, or Digger for that matter?
January 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 pmShort Romney:
“Vote for me in your language, so I can screw you in mine!”
January 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 pm